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	<description>Offending everybody since 2006</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Great Zucchini</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2006/12/house-prices#comment-11064</link>
		<dc:creator>The Great Zucchini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mayhaps he has fallen to the temptations of the Laudanum again.....</description>
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		<title>By: The Great Zucchini</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2006/12/house-prices#comment-11042</link>
		<dc:creator>The Great Zucchini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 23:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As he is not partaking,  I would thing that ye fevers have taken hold again, or maybe the drinkk......</description>
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		<title>By: John Kalahan</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2006/12/house-prices#comment-11041</link>
		<dc:creator>John Kalahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 23:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there is a strong argument for allowing life partnerships of some number of years standing to be included as well as unions solmonised by minority superstious groups. to be vovered by the digout act as well</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is a strong argument for allowing life partnerships of some number of years standing to be included as well as unions solmonised by minority superstious groups. to be vovered by the digout act as well</p>
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		<title>By: The Great Zucchini</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2006/12/house-prices#comment-11040</link>
		<dc:creator>The Great Zucchini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 23:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,
You can't,

The great God of this domain known as BOCK does...

We lower mortals merely add our sixpence worth as comments to the topics as and when the Great BOCK uttereth truths.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,<br />
You can&#8217;t,</p>
<p>The great God of this domain known as BOCK does&#8230;</p>
<p>We lower mortals merely add our sixpence worth as comments to the topics as and when the Great BOCK uttereth truths&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: The Great Zucchini</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2006/12/house-prices#comment-11039</link>
		<dc:creator>The Great Zucchini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.P.S. 
It's likely to be made retrospective as well, there'll be an addendummmm.....</description>
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It&#8217;s likely to be made retrospective as well, there&#8217;ll be an addendummmm&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: John Kalahan</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2006/12/house-prices#comment-11038</link>
		<dc:creator>John Kalahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New to the site too much to say how do you post a new topic</description>
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		<title>By: The Great Zucchini</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2006/12/house-prices#comment-11036</link>
		<dc:creator>The Great Zucchini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

They bloody didn't, they zoned it residential, not agricultural, or open space, residential, Hence the direct quote from the man. 

In any case the system here is backasswards. 

The planning system finally has cottoned onto the idea of building up the towns and villages, so overnight changes the system to reflect that But haven't prepared the way by building the sewerage treatment plants, water supplies, and all the other infrastructure needed first. Planning can't be granted as it is deemed "Premature" until the work on the towns is completed first....
Cart Before horse syndrome. 
Another beautiful example is the House rating certification system, coming into force legally without a tenth of the number of inspectors and certifiers in place to do the job, As far as I know the software is still beta software. It's not as if the British, who brought in the system twelve months ago didn't go through the EXACT SAME PROBLEM. But no, We can't learn can we.. 

Another example of it? The recent passing of a law requiring those "Dumper" Trailers pulled by tractors to get a D.O.E. cert like a commercial vehicle. The local Super here has stopped allowing these vehicles to be used on the public roads for the last eight months since the act came into force. &lt;b&gt;There still isn't a testing centre in the whole country to my knowledge&lt;/b&gt;, yet these vehicles were what was used on a daily basis by the contractors fitting the sewer pipes, watermains, ducting etc. throughout the country. The end result? All of the waterschemes and sewerage schemes currently being worked on have massive claims by the contractors hence increased costs as the contractors had to employ truck drivers to do the work they were doing themselves. This will likely continue for another twelve months until the government puts the flaming system in place..

Cart before horse always, cart before horse...

P.S. liked the proposed legislation by the way, but again it's after the fact......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>They bloody didn&#8217;t, they zoned it residential, not agricultural, or open space, residential, Hence the direct quote from the man. </p>
<p>In any case the system here is backasswards. </p>
<p>The planning system finally has cottoned onto the idea of building up the towns and villages, so overnight changes the system to reflect that But haven&#8217;t prepared the way by building the sewerage treatment plants, water supplies, and all the other infrastructure needed first. Planning can&#8217;t be granted as it is deemed &#8220;Premature&#8221; until the work on the towns is completed first&#8230;.<br />
Cart Before horse syndrome.<br />
Another beautiful example is the House rating certification system, coming into force legally without a tenth of the number of inspectors and certifiers in place to do the job, As far as I know the software is still beta software. It&#8217;s not as if the British, who brought in the system twelve months ago didn&#8217;t go through the EXACT SAME PROBLEM. But no, We can&#8217;t learn can we.. </p>
<p>Another example of it? The recent passing of a law requiring those &#8220;Dumper&#8221; Trailers pulled by tractors to get a D.O.E. cert like a commercial vehicle. The local Super here has stopped allowing these vehicles to be used on the public roads for the last eight months since the act came into force. <b>There still isn&#8217;t a testing centre in the whole country to my knowledge</b>, yet these vehicles were what was used on a daily basis by the contractors fitting the sewer pipes, watermains, ducting etc. throughout the country. The end result? All of the waterschemes and sewerage schemes currently being worked on have massive claims by the contractors hence increased costs as the contractors had to employ truck drivers to do the work they were doing themselves. This will likely continue for another twelve months until the government puts the flaming system in place..</p>
<p>Cart before horse always, cart before horse&#8230;</p>
<p>P.S. liked the proposed legislation by the way, but again it&#8217;s after the fact&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Kalahan</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2006/12/house-prices#comment-11029</link>
		<dc:creator>John Kalahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TD REQUIRED TO ADOPT PRIVATE MEMBERS BILL

Where as obvious hardship is being created and endured by breakdown of relationships it is time in recognition of such hardship that the tax system be amended appropriately

2008 DRAFT FINANCE BILL (PROPOSED SCHEME OF TAX RELIEFS FOR HARDSHIP FUNDS  OR DIGOUT ACT)

Where as an individual, excepting bodies corporate, partnerships, having such expenses in life to defray, following the effective ending of a relationship,  which involved a married union, shall be subject to the contnts of the following sections, be eligable to the following reliefs:

1.1 Full exemption from Benifit in Kind tax associated with any funds, given by way of loan, or by way of funds though by the doner or donee to be a loan regardless of the term of the loan

1.2 The Donee may elect during the life of the loan to convert the loan to a gift.

1.3 The Donee must recieve the good will funding within 10 years of the breakdown or actual separation agreement or divorce

1.4 The Donee must Not solicit the Goodwill funding from the providers of the funding

1.5  The providers of the goodwill funding must be friends of the donee and must all spontainously appreciate the need of the donee for the funding without the knowledge of the donee

1.6 The Good Will funding will be transfered by way of legal tender only

1.7 The proposed relief to be made available to a maximum threshold of 100 times the annual Oldage pension


1.8 a ceiling on the eligable goodwill funding to apply up to 50% of the value of cash savings held on deposit in a safe, attic, hole in the wall, under the carpet, or other suitable place of deposit, other than a bank or mutual society.</description>
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<p>Where as obvious hardship is being created and endured by breakdown of relationships it is time in recognition of such hardship that the tax system be amended appropriately</p>
<p>2008 DRAFT FINANCE BILL (PROPOSED SCHEME OF TAX RELIEFS FOR HARDSHIP FUNDS  OR DIGOUT ACT)</p>
<p>Where as an individual, excepting bodies corporate, partnerships, having such expenses in life to defray, following the effective ending of a relationship,  which involved a married union, shall be subject to the contnts of the following sections, be eligable to the following reliefs:</p>
<p>1.1 Full exemption from Benifit in Kind tax associated with any funds, given by way of loan, or by way of funds though by the doner or donee to be a loan regardless of the term of the loan</p>
<p>1.2 The Donee may elect during the life of the loan to convert the loan to a gift.</p>
<p>1.3 The Donee must recieve the good will funding within 10 years of the breakdown or actual separation agreement or divorce</p>
<p>1.4 The Donee must Not solicit the Goodwill funding from the providers of the funding</p>
<p>1.5  The providers of the goodwill funding must be friends of the donee and must all spontainously appreciate the need of the donee for the funding without the knowledge of the donee</p>
<p>1.6 The Good Will funding will be transfered by way of legal tender only</p>
<p>1.7 The proposed relief to be made available to a maximum threshold of 100 times the annual Oldage pension</p>
<p>1.8 a ceiling on the eligable goodwill funding to apply up to 50% of the value of cash savings held on deposit in a safe, attic, hole in the wall, under the carpet, or other suitable place of deposit, other than a bank or mutual society.</p>
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		<title>By: John Kalahan</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2006/12/house-prices#comment-11026</link>
		<dc:creator>John Kalahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We could overcome the plight of your friend whose land would be invountarily zonned by designateing it as perpetual green spcae

30% of landon is green space lots of useful parks. Useful to have beside the well connected  developers high density development</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could overcome the plight of your friend whose land would be invountarily zonned by designateing it as perpetual green spcae</p>
<p>30% of landon is green space lots of useful parks. Useful to have beside the well connected  developers high density development</p>
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		<title>By: The Great Zucchini</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2006/12/house-prices#comment-11023</link>
		<dc:creator>The Great Zucchini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

Sorry to contradict you BUT putting that kinda power into the hands of people who have no construction, architectural or any other kind of background except maybe a Diploma in public administration and a twelve month or two year course in Town and Urban planning is bloody dangerous. 

The facts of the matter are, that out of the approximately fifty planners employed between Clare, Limerick City and Limerick County Councils, There is ONE who has a diploma in Architecture. 

I'll repeat that, ONE, out of fifty. 

These are the people that tell you what your house should look like, to remove that offending chimney because it's not in the middle of the roof,  Why? Because that's what it says in a "Traditional" house design cookbook that they read along the way and it became a bible. 

The reason for the urban sprawl that is now "Dublin" is because of a ridiculously low density of housing insisted upon by, you've guessed it, Planners. The insistence on maintaining less than five houses per acre over the last twenty years, and our downright criminal blockage of higher density, higher buildings has created this monster that they have finally realised is going to cost a bloody fortune to supply services to. Basic services like Refuse collection, water supply,  street lighting, road construction, BUSES and other forms of public transport. 

Ribbon development along all of our country roads was caused again by planners insisting on a half acre site with 100 feet of road frontage with a blanket ban on what is referred to as "Backland" hamlet development for the last thirty years. 

What is even worse, is that at the end of the day, When everyone comes around to the same way of thinking eventually, the people who have the power to make the final decision in regard to Zoning are the flaming Councillors, which is why we have all the bloody planning tribunals going on.

I mean, c'mon think about it for gods sake. Someone whose land becomes re-zoned, even against their will, just because it's alongside a chunk of land belonging to a Well-monied developer, will be required to sell the land immediately for development or be TAXED on it??

I know of one particular guy here locally whose land was rezoned and he will not sell it as long as he is alive. He was born and raised on the farm,which bounds a country village,  has worked it all his life, and his view is that "They can do what they bloody well like when I'm gone". And in my mind that is his right. It's his to do with as he pleases. 

Sorry for the rant but planning is a touchy subject for me in particular. I live in an area where my kids would not get planning permission for a house on a site next door because we're living here only twelve years.... I have lived in the country for most of my life and I want them to have the chance to do so, IF and only IF that's what they want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Sorry to contradict you BUT putting that kinda power into the hands of people who have no construction, architectural or any other kind of background except maybe a Diploma in public administration and a twelve month or two year course in Town and Urban planning is bloody dangerous. </p>
<p>The facts of the matter are, that out of the approximately fifty planners employed between Clare, Limerick City and Limerick County Councils, There is ONE who has a diploma in Architecture. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll repeat that, ONE, out of fifty. </p>
<p>These are the people that tell you what your house should look like, to remove that offending chimney because it&#8217;s not in the middle of the roof,  Why? Because that&#8217;s what it says in a &#8220;Traditional&#8221; house design cookbook that they read along the way and it became a bible. </p>
<p>The reason for the urban sprawl that is now &#8220;Dublin&#8221; is because of a ridiculously low density of housing insisted upon by, you&#8217;ve guessed it, Planners. The insistence on maintaining less than five houses per acre over the last twenty years, and our downright criminal blockage of higher density, higher buildings has created this monster that they have finally realised is going to cost a bloody fortune to supply services to. Basic services like Refuse collection, water supply,  street lighting, road construction, BUSES and other forms of public transport. </p>
<p>Ribbon development along all of our country roads was caused again by planners insisting on a half acre site with 100 feet of road frontage with a blanket ban on what is referred to as &#8220;Backland&#8221; hamlet development for the last thirty years. </p>
<p>What is even worse, is that at the end of the day, When everyone comes around to the same way of thinking eventually, the people who have the power to make the final decision in regard to Zoning are the flaming Councillors, which is why we have all the bloody planning tribunals going on.</p>
<p>I mean, c&#8217;mon think about it for gods sake. Someone whose land becomes re-zoned, even against their will, just because it&#8217;s alongside a chunk of land belonging to a Well-monied developer, will be required to sell the land immediately for development or be TAXED on it??</p>
<p>I know of one particular guy here locally whose land was rezoned and he will not sell it as long as he is alive. He was born and raised on the farm,which bounds a country village,  has worked it all his life, and his view is that &#8220;They can do what they bloody well like when I&#8217;m gone&#8221;. And in my mind that is his right. It&#8217;s his to do with as he pleases. </p>
<p>Sorry for the rant but planning is a touchy subject for me in particular. I live in an area where my kids would not get planning permission for a house on a site next door because we&#8217;re living here only twelve years&#8230;. I have lived in the country for most of my life and I want them to have the chance to do so, IF and only IF that&#8217;s what they want.</p>
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