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		<title>By: Bock the Robber</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2007/04/chicken-or-egg/comment-page-1#comment-1488</link>
		<dc:creator>Bock the Robber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's what the priest said:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;Where you have acute income poverty, you have poor literacy, truancy, poor parenting skills and all the rest that follows.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Let's parse and analyse it.  We'll break it into its constituent sub-clauses.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;Where you have acute income poverty, you have&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1. poor literacy&lt;br/&gt;2. truancy&lt;br/&gt;3. &lt;b&gt;poor parenting skills&lt;/b&gt;, and &lt;br/&gt;4. all the rest that follows.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;He did say being poor makes you a bad parent.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It's not me ignoring other factors.  It's people like this priest with their simplistic little solutions to big problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what the priest said:</p>
<p><i>Where you have acute income poverty, you have poor literacy, truancy, poor parenting skills and all the rest that follows.</i></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s parse and analyse it.  We&#8217;ll break it into its constituent sub-clauses.</p>
<p><i>Where you have acute income poverty, you have</i></p>
<p>1. poor literacy<br />2. truancy<br />3. <b>poor parenting skills</b>, and <br />4. all the rest that follows.</p>
<p>He did say being poor makes you a bad parent.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not me ignoring other factors.  It&#8217;s people like this priest with their simplistic little solutions to big problems.</p>
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		<title>By: loucifer</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2007/04/chicken-or-egg/comment-page-1#comment-1487</link>
		<dc:creator>loucifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bock, you disappoint me. Too complicated for me? Really? I disagree with you so I'm stupid?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;He didn't say being poor makes you a bad parent - was his message too complicated for you?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The one fucked up family in his area are not the reason there are problems there. They do make it worse yes. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I understand what you're saying but am dismayed by your insistence on ignoring so many other factors.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I understand your frustration but you're ignoring so much in your desire to jeer the priest and be annoyed at people who don't share your (or my) values.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I asked you to say more as I wanted to hear more, not because I don't get it. No need to be an arse.&lt;br/&gt;That's all I'm going to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bock, you disappoint me. Too complicated for me? Really? I disagree with you so I&#8217;m stupid?</p>
<p>He didn&#8217;t say being poor makes you a bad parent - was his message too complicated for you?</p>
<p>The one fucked up family in his area are not the reason there are problems there. They do make it worse yes. </p>
<p>I understand what you&#8217;re saying but am dismayed by your insistence on ignoring so many other factors.</p>
<p>I understand your frustration but you&#8217;re ignoring so much in your desire to jeer the priest and be annoyed at people who don&#8217;t share your (or my) values.</p>
<p>I asked you to say more as I wanted to hear more, not because I don&#8217;t get it. No need to be an arse.<br />That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m going to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Bock the Robber</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2007/04/chicken-or-egg/comment-page-1#comment-1486</link>
		<dc:creator>Bock the Robber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, listen.  I'll make it very simple.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Point number one:  The priest is wrong. Shortage of money doesn't make anyone a bad parent.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Point number two:  In  that priest's area, there's one particular fucked-up family who are terrorising everyone.  They are bad to the bone.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now that's all I'm going to say.  If the post was too complicated for you, there's nothing I can do about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, listen.  I&#8217;ll make it very simple.</p>
<p>Point number one:  The priest is wrong. Shortage of money doesn&#8217;t make anyone a bad parent.  </p>
<p>Point number two:  In  that priest&#8217;s area, there&#8217;s one particular fucked-up family who are terrorising everyone.  They are bad to the bone.</p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s all I&#8217;m going to say.  If the post was too complicated for you, there&#8217;s nothing I can do about it.</p>
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		<title>By: loucifer</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2007/04/chicken-or-egg/comment-page-1#comment-1485</link>
		<dc:creator>loucifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn't normally ever be a defender of the clergy, but the man is right. It's a bit general but do a bit of research and see if he's as wrong as you think. I think you're talking about a minority in these deprived areas who are vicious criminals using fear and intimidation as very effective weapons to control and terrorise others. These people exist in every strata of society but thrive in the less well off areas. Why would you say that is?It's getting worse as crime and being hard are seen as perhaps the only way of earning respect, status, self esteem. Going to jail is a bagde of honour, a rite of passage. Is it totally fucked up? Yes it is. It's also not so prevalent in so called nice areas.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; Genetics you said. Say more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t normally ever be a defender of the clergy, but the man is right. It&#8217;s a bit general but do a bit of research and see if he&#8217;s as wrong as you think. I think you&#8217;re talking about a minority in these deprived areas who are vicious criminals using fear and intimidation as very effective weapons to control and terrorise others. These people exist in every strata of society but thrive in the less well off areas. Why would you say that is?It&#8217;s getting worse as crime and being hard are seen as perhaps the only way of earning respect, status, self esteem. Going to jail is a bagde of honour, a rite of passage. Is it totally fucked up? Yes it is. It&#8217;s also not so prevalent in so called nice areas.</p>
<p> Genetics you said. Say more.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2007/04/chicken-or-egg/comment-page-1#comment-1484</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's the generalisation that gets to me; an empty statement that has no thought or even true opinion behind it. He even forgot to highlight the other area poverty-stricken parents apparently fail in: feeding their children decent food (I guess this falls under general parenting skills). And yet I have noticed in Limerick, at least, the few surviving fruit &#038; veg shops are located in or near these troubled areas. Looks like someone learned to boil a spud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the generalisation that gets to me; an empty statement that has no thought or even true opinion behind it. He even forgot to highlight the other area poverty-stricken parents apparently fail in: feeding their children decent food (I guess this falls under general parenting skills). And yet I have noticed in Limerick, at least, the few surviving fruit &#038; veg shops are located in or near these troubled areas. Looks like someone learned to boil a spud.</p>
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		<title>By: Bock the Robber</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2007/04/chicken-or-egg/comment-page-1#comment-1483</link>
		<dc:creator>Bock the Robber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK.  I'm saying the priest is talking shit.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;All right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK.  I&#8217;m saying the priest is talking shit.</p>
<p>All right?</p>
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		<title>By: loucifer</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2007/04/chicken-or-egg/comment-page-1#comment-1482</link>
		<dc:creator>loucifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm fascinated by all of this. Please clarify for turbator (and me)where he's missing the point rather than using the tone you do. I truly enjoy your musings whether I agree with you or not but you're sounding tetchy now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m fascinated by all of this. Please clarify for turbator (and me)where he&#8217;s missing the point rather than using the tone you do. I truly enjoy your musings whether I agree with you or not but you&#8217;re sounding tetchy now.</p>
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		<title>By: Bock the Robber</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2007/04/chicken-or-egg/comment-page-1#comment-1481</link>
		<dc:creator>Bock the Robber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You obviously didn't read the post. In fact, you clearly missed the entire point of what it was about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You obviously didn&#8217;t read the post. In fact, you clearly missed the entire point of what it was about.</p>
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		<title>By: turbatur</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2007/04/chicken-or-egg/comment-page-1#comment-1480</link>
		<dc:creator>turbatur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I did read the post before the comment. And you will have knobheads in all classes. While foolish if well intentioned people will spout rubbish. And most of your friends parents left school after primary, so did 90% of the population.But you will have noticed that no longer holds. What was primary cert will very soon be post grad. And glib phrases are in fashion at the moment.&lt;br/&gt;But in a place where the entire ethos is one of hopelessness there is little the parents can do to counteract the influences of the estate. 'Where no one is to blame for anything', you wrote, it sure as hell is not the parents fault. It's chicken or egg up to now because it was kept so, form now on we will see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I did read the post before the comment. And you will have knobheads in all classes. While foolish if well intentioned people will spout rubbish. And most of your friends parents left school after primary, so did 90% of the population.But you will have noticed that no longer holds. What was primary cert will very soon be post grad. And glib phrases are in fashion at the moment.<br />But in a place where the entire ethos is one of hopelessness there is little the parents can do to counteract the influences of the estate. &#8216;Where no one is to blame for anything&#8217;, you wrote, it sure as hell is not the parents fault. It&#8217;s chicken or egg up to now because it was kept so, form now on we will see.</p>
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		<title>By: VORN</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2007/04/chicken-or-egg/comment-page-1#comment-1479</link>
		<dc:creator>VORN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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