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		<title>By: Desi</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2007/08/sikhs-turbans-and-the-irish-police/comment-page-2#comment-88346</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Turban is more about identity,,,

Sikh history has seen blood shed ,innocents killed ,,children massacred in front of there mothers,,fathers made to eat there children&#039;s heart,,,
people cut piece by piece ,burn ,
prices on their heads,,(i am talking about era of 1600 to till date,,because they fought back ,,they made their identity against the tyranny and supression ,,,for saving innocent ,,,(hindus,budhists,and others)
islamic rulers invaded places,including indian subcontinent ...they would come and loot indian wealth,,,take away women ,rape them..sell them for slavery...convert them with force .

sikhs united under a leader ,,,saints turned into soldiers,,,took up swords ..army was born...sikh army ,the khalsa(pure form) 

pure form as nature created them,,,pure as evolution made them..neat and clean,,but fierce ,hard working and kind at heart ,,with rules to live life purely ,,an identity from which they can not turn their back on righteous path ..and duty..a turban and uncut  denotes the sacrifices and blood of ancestors ,the battles won ..
and i just dont get what harm a turban can do to any one....get real</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turban is more about identity,,,</p>
<p>Sikh history has seen blood shed ,innocents killed ,,children massacred in front of there mothers,,fathers made to eat there children&#8217;s heart,,,<br />
people cut piece by piece ,burn ,<br />
prices on their heads,,(i am talking about era of 1600 to till date,,because they fought back ,,they made their identity against the tyranny and supression ,,,for saving innocent ,,,(hindus,budhists,and others)<br />
islamic rulers invaded places,including indian subcontinent &#8230;they would come and loot indian wealth,,,take away women ,rape them..sell them for slavery&#8230;convert them with force .</p>
<p>sikhs united under a leader ,,,saints turned into soldiers,,,took up swords ..army was born&#8230;sikh army ,the khalsa(pure form) </p>
<p>pure form as nature created them,,,pure as evolution made them..neat and clean,,but fierce ,hard working and kind at heart ,,with rules to live life purely ,,an identity from which they can not turn their back on righteous path ..and duty..a turban and uncut  denotes the sacrifices and blood of ancestors ,the battles won ..<br />
and i just dont get what harm a turban can do to any one&#8230;.get real</p>
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		<title>By: young g</title>
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		<dc:creator>young g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 04:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why is every one fighting. If your a Sikh come to Toronto canada down here Sikhs most likely own the city. I also beieve all the non Sikhs on this site should come here to because then you&#039;ll see how the Sikhs are feeling thee. Cause if your not Sikh and you live in Brampton canada your gonna have a hard life!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why is every one fighting. If your a Sikh come to Toronto canada down here Sikhs most likely own the city. I also beieve all the non Sikhs on this site should come here to because then you&#8217;ll see how the Sikhs are feeling thee. Cause if your not Sikh and you live in Brampton canada your gonna have a hard life!</p>
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		<title>By: Bock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diluted with other races and cultures?

I would regard that as enrichment, not dilution, and our inward-looking mean-spirited parochial Irish society needs as much enrichment as it can get.

Just to be absolutely clear: this post is specifically about a religious emblem.  It has nothing to do with races or cultures, and therefore I suspect you and I may have little enough in common.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diluted with other races and cultures?</p>
<p>I would regard that as enrichment, not dilution, and our inward-looking mean-spirited parochial Irish society needs as much enrichment as it can get.</p>
<p>Just to be absolutely clear: this post is specifically about a religious emblem.  It has nothing to do with races or cultures, and therefore I suspect you and I may have little enough in common.</p>
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		<title>By: DerekC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DerekC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bock,
I found the site while reading about that pervert down in west cork, I&#039;d just like to agree with you strongly as i feel you summed it up perfectly in post. no.69. 
Plain and simple its a uniform, regardless of an officers beliefs, when they get up in the morning to go to work they are Gardai. Not a religious people doing their job. Maybe that&#039;s not all too clear.
Uni= 1 singular=one for all.
No exceptions. Religion or race aside, on the job your a Garda first and if anyone wants to be one they wear the full bloody uniform. Simple as that. Not what just suits them!
If some one of a certain belief has issues with this then its simple, that job is not for you no matter how good you may be at it if you will not dress and act like every other member of the force.
Having this discussion is madness in it self. 
Why should the gardai or us irish be the ones labelled intolerent, when clearly it is the other way around? 
I&#039;m open to people of different cultures living in Ireland and making it their home but strongly believe we need to hold dear what little culture we have left and not bend over for foreigners who come here and believe/demand we must change our culture, laws and lifestyle to suit them. Its arrogant and disrespectful to a country which has it&#039;s own culture and which is open to all people, I think, as long as they don&#039;t expect us to change for them. When in Rome is a good analogue as us practising some of our customs and culture in their country would certainly NOT be tolerated. 

A turban is simply not a part of the Garda uniform so it should not be worn, liberal people with their blind sense of duty to bend to all others will lead us down the road of England and I certainly do not wish to see that for my beloved county. Not saying I ever liked the british after what some have done to my family members over the last 200 years but its a shame to see it get so diluted with all other races and cultures.  
What&#039;s left for me to hate now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bock,<br />
I found the site while reading about that pervert down in west cork, I&#8217;d just like to agree with you strongly as i feel you summed it up perfectly in post. no.69.<br />
Plain and simple its a uniform, regardless of an officers beliefs, when they get up in the morning to go to work they are Gardai. Not a religious people doing their job. Maybe that&#8217;s not all too clear.<br />
Uni= 1 singular=one for all.<br />
No exceptions. Religion or race aside, on the job your a Garda first and if anyone wants to be one they wear the full bloody uniform. Simple as that. Not what just suits them!<br />
If some one of a certain belief has issues with this then its simple, that job is not for you no matter how good you may be at it if you will not dress and act like every other member of the force.<br />
Having this discussion is madness in it self.<br />
Why should the gardai or us irish be the ones labelled intolerent, when clearly it is the other way around?<br />
I&#8217;m open to people of different cultures living in Ireland and making it their home but strongly believe we need to hold dear what little culture we have left and not bend over for foreigners who come here and believe/demand we must change our culture, laws and lifestyle to suit them. Its arrogant and disrespectful to a country which has it&#8217;s own culture and which is open to all people, I think, as long as they don&#8217;t expect us to change for them. When in Rome is a good analogue as us practising some of our customs and culture in their country would certainly NOT be tolerated. </p>
<p>A turban is simply not a part of the Garda uniform so it should not be worn, liberal people with their blind sense of duty to bend to all others will lead us down the road of England and I certainly do not wish to see that for my beloved county. Not saying I ever liked the british after what some have done to my family members over the last 200 years but its a shame to see it get so diluted with all other races and cultures.<br />
What&#8217;s left for me to hate now?</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Racist jerk

Banned.

kevinharami380@gmail.com


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United States 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Racist jerk</p>
<p>Banned.</p>
<p><a href="mailto:kevinharami380@gmail.com">kevinharami380@gmail.com</a></p>
<p>Houston, Texas<br />
United States </p>
<p>IP address	66.196.224.54</p>
<p>ISP	Logix Communications, Inc.</p>
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		<title>By: Bock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can wear what you want when you&#039;re out of uniform.  That&#039;s your own business.  

Members of the garda are buried by their families, not by the police, and again it&#039;s their families&#039; business how they bury them.  It&#039;s none of my business how people are buried and I haven&#039;t expressed any views on the subject.  

Religious symbols have no place in a uniform that represents all of us, Christian, Muslim, Sikh, Jew and those with no religion whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can wear what you want when you&#8217;re out of uniform.  That&#8217;s your own business.  </p>
<p>Members of the garda are buried by their families, not by the police, and again it&#8217;s their families&#8217; business how they bury them.  It&#8217;s none of my business how people are buried and I haven&#8217;t expressed any views on the subject.  </p>
<p>Religious symbols have no place in a uniform that represents all of us, Christian, Muslim, Sikh, Jew and those with no religion whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bock,

A nun would be regarded as a practising christian a sikh wearing a turban would be deemed as a practising sikh. Many state that they belong to a faith only a few practice it. 

I wear a cross around my neck, and have served my country....My competence and ability was never hindered or questioned because I wore a crucifix, and furthermore I am no more of a practising christain than most.

Religion is imbedded in european history &amp; culture..after all are not members of the guarda sworn in and take an oath?If a member of the guarda was killed, is it not right to give he/she a buriel or is that to christian?

A uniform is a uniform.....its who&#039;s in that uniform that really matters, would you not agree bock?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bock,</p>
<p>A nun would be regarded as a practising christian a sikh wearing a turban would be deemed as a practising sikh. Many state that they belong to a faith only a few practice it. </p>
<p>I wear a cross around my neck, and have served my country&#8230;.My competence and ability was never hindered or questioned because I wore a crucifix, and furthermore I am no more of a practising christain than most.</p>
<p>Religion is imbedded in european history &amp; culture..after all are not members of the guarda sworn in and take an oath?If a member of the guarda was killed, is it not right to give he/she a buriel or is that to christian?</p>
<p>A uniform is a uniform&#8230;..its who&#8217;s in that uniform that really matters, would you not agree bock?</p>
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		<title>By: Bock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not all Sikhs cover their hair and not all nuns cover their bodies, but if you want to use nuns as an example, well and good.  I think it would be unacceptable for a nun to wear a veil as part of a police uniform.  I also think it would be wrong for anyone to wear a crucifix as part of a police uniform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not all Sikhs cover their hair and not all nuns cover their bodies, but if you want to use nuns as an example, well and good.  I think it would be unacceptable for a nun to wear a veil as part of a police uniform.  I also think it would be wrong for anyone to wear a crucifix as part of a police uniform.</p>
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		<title>By: Wolf Zeiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolf Zeiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bock,

I know many sikhs where I live it is quite diverse. Firstly let me say that we live in a melting pot of society, the world is getting much smaller....scotland and ireland are no exception to this! 

Most sikhs living in the west are well educated and have produced positive contributions to areas in which they live...there native land (punjab)within india is the wealthiest, 80% of them in britain are degree educated and employment for them is highier for them then any ethnic race in the UK or Canada.

Sikhs will often identify themsleves as sikhs or indians in most cases and for that reason you can certainly regard them as a race.
When a reference is made to there turbans it can be often a sign of disrespect to there soveriegn identity. A uniform is namley there so we as people can identify someone, this is very much the case for sikhs and there turbans as it is equally for nuns and there robes.

The west is secular but it stills keeps a strong affinity to tradition because there is value in it, after all we accomdate the christian faith when have our national holidays during the celebration of christmas and easter. Religion has formed our identities, religion formed instituition and is apart of our cultural history and identity.

Being a secular nation does not mean we should be ignorant to people of faith. It seems if you follow a religion you are regarded as different , even unnormal. If this guy wanted to wear his turban while wearing his uniform and people could identify him as part of the guarda and equally identify him as a sikh i really cant see this as a crisis. 

Uniforms have been subject to change, just visit your old school to see what they now wear as uniforms. Uniforms throughout history have changed to accomodate the changing environment in which we live, and the world is changing.

Sikhs wear turbans because they need to cover thier hair like a nun covers her body head to toe as their consecration to God....What does a nun do when they swim? 

A German man once suggested that a Jewish man can not be loyal to Germany, because they are loyal to their beliefs first, he furthered his point because they wore skull caps in the army and police force.Judiasm is a religion not a race - this German man Hitler did not care and murdered 6 million of them?

Depate enriches us all....but ignorance does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bock,</p>
<p>I know many sikhs where I live it is quite diverse. Firstly let me say that we live in a melting pot of society, the world is getting much smaller&#8230;.scotland and ireland are no exception to this! </p>
<p>Most sikhs living in the west are well educated and have produced positive contributions to areas in which they live&#8230;there native land (punjab)within india is the wealthiest, 80% of them in britain are degree educated and employment for them is highier for them then any ethnic race in the UK or Canada.</p>
<p>Sikhs will often identify themsleves as sikhs or indians in most cases and for that reason you can certainly regard them as a race.<br />
When a reference is made to there turbans it can be often a sign of disrespect to there soveriegn identity. A uniform is namley there so we as people can identify someone, this is very much the case for sikhs and there turbans as it is equally for nuns and there robes.</p>
<p>The west is secular but it stills keeps a strong affinity to tradition because there is value in it, after all we accomdate the christian faith when have our national holidays during the celebration of christmas and easter. Religion has formed our identities, religion formed instituition and is apart of our cultural history and identity.</p>
<p>Being a secular nation does not mean we should be ignorant to people of faith. It seems if you follow a religion you are regarded as different , even unnormal. If this guy wanted to wear his turban while wearing his uniform and people could identify him as part of the guarda and equally identify him as a sikh i really cant see this as a crisis. </p>
<p>Uniforms have been subject to change, just visit your old school to see what they now wear as uniforms. Uniforms throughout history have changed to accomodate the changing environment in which we live, and the world is changing.</p>
<p>Sikhs wear turbans because they need to cover thier hair like a nun covers her body head to toe as their consecration to God&#8230;.What does a nun do when they swim? </p>
<p>A German man once suggested that a Jewish man can not be loyal to Germany, because they are loyal to their beliefs first, he furthered his point because they wore skull caps in the army and police force.Judiasm is a religion not a race &#8211; this German man Hitler did not care and murdered 6 million of them?</p>
<p>Depate enriches us all&#8230;.but ignorance does not.</p>
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		<title>By: Bock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can agree with much of what you say, but I really don&#039;t like to be patronised.  Therefore, I&#039;d ask you to go gently on advice about how long it will take me to &quot;get to grips&quot; with anything.  Deal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can agree with much of what you say, but I really don&#8217;t like to be patronised.  Therefore, I&#8217;d ask you to go gently on advice about how long it will take me to &#8220;get to grips&#8221; with anything.  Deal?</p>
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