Zionism and Nazism : Spot the Difference
Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008
Suppose you conquer a country through violence, ethnic cleansing and destruction of villages.
And suppose you drive out a peaceful people so that you can steal their homes and their farms.
And suppose you herd them together into a tiny strip of land, causing one of the highest population densities in the world.
And suppose you force them to live in conditions of poverty, filth and deprivation, where open sewers run in the streets.
And suppose you build a gigantic wall around these people to keep them in.
And suppose you guard this wall with machine-gun towers.
And suppose you routinely bomb these people.
And suppose you cut off all electricity.
And suppose you cut off all food supplies.
And suppose, when they resist, you call them terrorists.
What would you call this place where 1.5 million people are concentrated in appalling conditions under armed guard?
I’d call it a concentration camp, but you might call it the Gaza Strip. Of course, you might also call it a ghetto.
And what would you call the people who caused this?
I’d call them Nazis, but you’d probably call them Israelis.
It’s hard to tell the two apart these days.
Stumble it!
January 25th, 2008
Totally agree Bock but Israel have the backing of the good ol US of A so you’re not supposed to say this out load..
Isnt it funny how the Isreali govt learned absolutely nothing from the Holocoust?
Anyway ,i am sure Ian O’Doherty will be on for a comment on this ,if you read his column.which in fairness can be fairly amusing the odd time,the one thing i disagree with him on is his America and Israel good - Islam Bad.. arguement that is sounding like a broken record now..
January 25th, 2008
Spot on Bock I couldn’t agree more. What the IDF are doing is nothing short of genocide. That is if course if your view of genocide is in line with that of the Geneva Convention and not of course the Israeli view of genocide. As BigPhil said they wouldn’t and couldn’t get away with it if it wasn’t for US support. If you haven’t already done so I would suggest reading David Hirst’s excellent book The Gun and The Olive Branch.
January 25th, 2008
A few months ago, the cash-strapped US gave 30 billion dollars.
30 BILLION! I guess these are the rewards you get when you blatantly ignore the ‘67 boundaries.
I agree Israel has a right to its state but in matter of claiming land illegally it is definitely the worst aggressor. No wonder every other country in the Middle east Suspects our motives out there.
January 25th, 2008
I never understood why we keep giving money to Israel. Shouldn’t Germany be paying for Israel’s upkeep? Just a thought…
January 25th, 2008
I know who shouldn’t be paying for it: the Palestinians whose families were kicked off their land and out of their houses to make room for the new Israel.
January 25th, 2008
You are obviously Anti-Semitic ;-)
Just thought I’d get that one out of the way.
January 25th, 2008
Oh, I expect they’ll resort to that as well. But of course, if I were anti-Semitic, I’d have to hate Palestinians as well as Israelis.
And then there’s the problem of the non-Semitic Israelis …
… and the anti-Zionist Jews …
… and the Muslim Israelis …
… and the Russian Neo-Nazi Israelis.
Is there no end to it?
January 25th, 2008
We could always blame the English.
January 25th, 2008
Spot on, Bock. Well said
January 25th, 2008
Britain agreed we could have 26 counties - they’d keep 6. Grand - only a few still whine about that.
Now imagine if a few years later they decided they’d have Dublin too. It had a good port. Then they took back Wicklow because they wanted some mountains. Kildare to run their horses in.
Then Limerick, Clare and Galway to have a western seaboard.
There would have been outrage from the US. But isn’t that exactly what Israel did and not a peep?
January 25th, 2008
Too easy Bock, too easy. I have no love for any motherfucks with guns and helicopters and fancy american jets, none at all. But what happened Leon Uris and Exodus and the kibbutz and the baddie Egyptians. What the fuck happened there, and I invested a huge amount of my teenage lusting after those gun toting Israeli gals, sabras (I think).
Fuck, history, Balfor gave the holocaust survivors something that didn’t belong to them, but they understood it to be the promised land. And then what, what fucking happened next.
I worked with an Israeli company some time back and they were the most contrary shower of fucks I ever dealt with. But, what about Exodus, what about the Holocaust, What about those big thighed sabras.
What about our guilt, you’re forgetting that.
The motherfucks with the gun-ships say it’s their land just like we say the six above are ours, or Nelson said it was his Africa, or the Catalans talk about that part of Spain, and it goes on and on and fucking on.
Too easy Bock.
January 25th, 2008
Yeah? So what did the Palestinians do to deserve their eviction?
January 25th, 2008
Kick the next one down the chain, isn’t that the general rule of human oppression. It is rich that they commit atrocities and then have the gall to accuse the EU of being Anti-Semitic simply because they criticise them for lay illegal cluster bombs. Anti Israeli policy and military perhaps, not Anti-Semitic. I still have that image in my mind from the newspaper depicting israeli children writing messages on the shells of rockets, messages for Lebanese children. Who teaches their kids to do that? That said I reckon there is a wealth of truely decent people in Israel, take the Refuseniks for example.
January 25th, 2008
Absolutely nothing Bock, absolutely fucking nothing.
They are today’s 100% victims. But when we fuck with things, whenever we fuck with things, we set the madness in motion.
I also think you are 100% accurate, but there’s an old women living in Jerusalem who believes she is 100% right too.
Everyone has their story.
But what about those sabras?
January 25th, 2008
I prefer Gadaffi’s girls.
January 25th, 2008
I think it was PJ O’Rourke who said the Israeli were the people who took their manners from the Germans. I’ve always viewed the Israel body politic as being a bit like that of a rape victim. What was done to them was appalling but it doesn’t justify them taking a scissors to the next bloke they come across.
January 25th, 2008
Hey Dan,
When and why will it stop ?
January 26th, 2008
Well…last time I checked, most Palestinians weren’t Jewish.
Ironic that Gaza more and more resembles a concentration camp.
January 26th, 2008
Eliza: I’m sure you’re well aware that concentration camps existed long before the Nazis. In fact, you’d have to look to Winston Churchill’s involvement in the Boer War if you wanted to see the first fully-evolved implementation of the concept.
January 26th, 2008
Hmmm….a bit of a stretch I think.
While I agree that the Israelis need to cop themselves on a bit comparing them to Nazis is a bit much.
It’s not like there was rocket fire raining down on Germany.
It’s not like Germany was surrounded by hostile Jewish states.
It’s not like there was a Jewish state bordering a concentration camp that had it’s very own border wall to keep the riff-raff out.
Oh..and if Hamas refuses to believe in the existence of the State of Israel who exactly is oppressing the Palestinians then?
None of the above are excuses for Israeli excesses but the biggest problem for the Palestinians has always been their intercine warfare.
January 26th, 2008
“Yeah? So what did the Palestinians do to deserve their eviction?”
They dared think and believe differently same as all the other times a people were forcibly moved from their lands and herded into overcrowded and squalled conditions (slaughtered?). But what can you say about a population of crazed religious fanatics with an average emotional age of 15 that have basically been fighting over the same territory since well before the time a man was hung on a cross for believing differently?
January 26th, 2008
Yes Bock, you’re quite right. It’s my American association - concentration camps = Nazi’s, even though we had them here ourselves for the Japanese.
I mean, I must just be really moderate, but I don’t get scrapping over a piece of land because of some farcical religious bs
January 27th, 2008
Kirk: I’m not quite following you. Are you saying that the Palestinians are crazed religious fanatics?
Eliza: Indeed. The camp at Manzanar springs to mind.
January 28th, 2008
I give this post a week before the first Mossad-funded poster arrives.
January 28th, 2008
Well said, Bock.
(I’m often suprised we have so much in common, me bein’ a Dubliner and all. It beats Banagher.)
January 28th, 2008
Guantanamo Bay !
January 29th, 2008
Nora: Indeed. It isn’t unusual to feel that way.
Most Dubliners are surprised to learn that real human beings exist in the rest of the country.
January 30th, 2008
bock all you need to do these days to be justified in any form of anialation is to say its part of the war on terrorism but who are the real terrorists?
January 30th, 2008
LCS: I’m guessing you meant “annihilation”.
There are all sorts of terrorists. Governments engage in terrorism, but so do ad hoc political groupings and religious zealots.
Saying “War On Terrorism” is as meaningless as saying “War on Cookery”.
February 25th, 2008
Like every thing in history we categorize groups into good guys and bad guys, black and white. It just makes things easy. The Palestinians are there own worst enemy. In the late 19th and early 20th century, the wealthy Palestinian land owners could not sell there land fast enough to Jewish settlers from Russia. Their was massive amounts of money for selling desert worth nothing. The Israelis got a foot hold in the Middle East and they have not been able to shift them since.
February 28th, 2008
The barriers themselves consist of iron, brick, and steel walls up to 25 feet high, topped with metal netting. Some have gates in them occasionally manned by police, which allow passage by day, and which are closed at night. The first barriers were constructed in the early 1970s. Originally few in number, they have multiplied over the years, from 18 in the early 1990s to 40 today; in total they stretch over 13 miles. Most are located in Belfast.
* The United States is building a fence to keep out illegal Mexican immigrants.
* Spain built a fence, with European Union funding, to separate its enclaves of Ceuta and Melilla from Morocco to prevent poor people from sub-Saharan Africa from entering Europe.
* India constructed a 460-mile barrier in Kashmir to halt infiltrations supported by Pakistan.
* Saudi Arabia built a 60-mile barrier along an undefined border zone with Yemen to halt arms smuggling of weaponry and announced plans in 2006 to build a 500-mile fence along its border with Iraq.
* Turkey built a barrier in the southern province of Alexandretta, which was formerly in Syria and is an area that Syria claims as its own..
* In Cyprus, the UN sponsored a security fence reinforcing the island’s de facto partition.
March 25th, 2008
Go Bock! Why don’t you get the Wolfe Tones and get a few buckets for the donations and we’ll go raise some money for rockets for Hamas? Good old you. You go keeping reason and truth and reality out of it - because if you don’t it might snowball and some Hamas guy will be opening an Ikea in Gaza with some former Uzi carrier grinning alongside him.. No, leave reason and truth and balance out of it - let them all suffer at least as long as poor old us did!
March 25th, 2008
Roisin, I was wondering when some stooge would come out with the standard mantra: everyone who criticises the Israelis is a terrorist.
Pathetic.
April 1st, 2008
Bock
If Roisin said that why did you edit it out. She is absolutely correct. God I remember How naively I fell in line with the rest of pseudo liberal opinion and argued in support of the Palestinians. I don’t know how many Macdonalds were bombed before I finally got a bit of sense. No - the Palestinians said goodbye to any humanity when they opted for a war of deliberately killing children. They chose the path of religious insanity - and are intent in pursuing it. Their spokesmen and leaders are slithery types who prey on their own people. I would not say nor has Roisin - that everybody who criticises Israel is a terrorist. what I do say is that everyone who supports Hamas is supporting a vicious terrorist organisation.
April 2nd, 2008
Aidan: Nothing Roisin said was edited out.
And this post isn’t about Hamas, as you well know.
Your next point please?
April 2nd, 2008
Then what stooge said this?
“everyone who criticises the Israelis is a terrorist”
April 3rd, 2008
Aidan, my concern is with the innocent civilians of Gaza. If you can’t stomach that idea, I can’t help you.
April 3rd, 2008
I have no problem with anybody’s concern with innocent civilians. Just don’t be selective in your concern.
My major problem is the methods used by the Palestinians against Israel. The use of suiicide bombers to deliberately target civilians in discos restaurants buses - anywhere really, and latterly (since the wall effectively stopped the former) the use of rockets for the same purpose, just sickens me and I feel has lost them a lot of former sympathisers (including as I said - myself).
Bock this is one of the (few) issues I don’t broadlly share your opinions.
They hide like cowards behind women and children and expect the Israelis to do nothing in response. Sorry Bock but I just don’t buy into that stuff any more.
April 3rd, 2008
Aidan: “Don’t be selective”
Are you instructing me to mention Israeli civilians every time I write about Palestinian civilians?
April 4th, 2008
Bock,
The future and well-being of all in Gaza, innocent and guilty, is welded to the future and well-being of all in Israel, innocent and guilty. Casting one as helpless victims and the other as Nazis is the theme song of everyone from Gadaffi to Ahmadinejad. It is an opinion that many Irish people share without sometimes seeming to know or care that it is an opinion that contributes to prolonging the misery of the very people they are hoping to champion.
Judging from your posts on other subjects, Bock, I would not have taken you for someone who would think in such a way. I wish I had initially responded in a more measured way. The complexities of the situation are frigging mind-boggling and that one-sided post of yours pushed my buttons and I didn’t respond in as measured a way as I should.
As someone who lived in that region and as a mother, I know that each day begins with the same question in the minds of every Palestinian and every Israeli mother: Will my child survive this day? And for so many (and yes, I know, more on the Palestinian side than the Israeli side) the answer is “No.” Someday, maybe they will turn the question around and ensure that their offspring kills noone that day. In the meantime, both sides need to make a lot of compromises and we know here how difficult that is. And seeing as we are thousands of miles away maybe balance is the only thing we can bring to it.
The Stooge (formerly known as Roisin)
April 4th, 2008
Roisin: If you had read the post more carefully, you would have noticed that I didn’t characterise the Israeli people as Nazis.This is the problem with knee-jerk responses. What I actually said was that it’s hard to tell the two apart these days, which is true, when we contemplate the circumstances in places such as Gaza.
This post is about the ideology called Zionism, which I compared to Nazism. Many Israelis, both orthodox and secular are opposed to Zionism.
If you like, I’ll write a report about the massacres of Palestinians by Israel’s DFF proxies in the camps at Sabra, Chatila and Bourj- al-Barajneh, and you can write about comparable massacres of Israelis in the Middle East by the Palestinians or their proxies.
April 4th, 2008
Bock,
Your post, which I read carefully, was an unbalanced rant against Israel. A well worn ruse, Bock, to stick Zionism in the title. Zionism is what Ahmadinejad et al say they want destroyed but unfortunately the target in their sights is spelled I-s-r-a-e-l, with all the diversity of humans who live there and which you acknowledge in your reply.
Israelis elect their government, same as the Palestinians, same as us, and none are free of the baggage of history and corruption and weak leaders and mean fundamentalist bastards with their own agendas which mire their own people in cycles of violence and misery.
But, even if it had been a more balanced post Bock, I still would have absolutely no trouble whatsoever telling Zionists apart from Nazis. And neither would many of those who replied to you if you read their replies carefully.
And no, I don’t want to play a game with you about the dead where you give me a Deir Yassin and I raise you a couple of No.10 buses in Jerusalem on successive Sunday mornings.
Why not, instead of counting the dead bodies on both sides, or demonising one side to the exclusion of countenancing any faults on the other, have an eye for solutions and hope for the living on both sides?
But it’s your blog!
April 4th, 2008
It’s not a ruse, Róisín. Don’t accuse me of dishonesty. And it isn’t a rant either.
It’s how I feel about the way the Israeli government is treating the people of Gaza.
What’s all this talk about balance?
Did somebody pass a law while I wasn’t looking saying that all posts had to be balanced? If you’re so strong on maintaining balance, you might carry out an audit on the firepower of the Israeli army versus that of the Palestinians.
And you might address the point I made about the massacres of Palestinian civilians in the refugee camps.
While we’re at it, maybe I’ll write some stuff about the destruction of Palestinian villages to facilitate the creation of Israeli territory in the first place. (Evil, terrorist indigenous palestinians, of course).
April 4th, 2008
Sabra and Shatila was awful, Bock, a sheer bloody horror. I’ve read Robert Fisk’s piece on it so often I nearly could draw a map of the bodies. And yes indeed, the Israelis have zillions more firepower.
The people of Gaza horrible lives. And yes, they yearn for their olive groves and fields and for their lovely homes in Jaffa and Haifa and education and futures for the kids and even basic dignity. If you think, for one moment, that I would think of them as ‘evil, terrorist indigenous Palestinians’, then God, Bock, I’ve not communicated anything here at all.
If they have courage to hold out for better leaders and see off the frightening forces which serve them so badly, things could change very swiftly and dramatically. I really believe that. I don’t know what solution or alternative you see because you have not voiced it.
But, nothing that I have heard or seen or read about justifies comparing Israelis (be they government ministers or the young men who do their bidding) to Nazis.
April 5th, 2008
Róisín: That’s fair enough. I can see that you’re sincere about this, but unfortunately what has been done to the Palestinian people is an absolute disgrace, and in my view there are many parallels with the Nazi thing (which I wouldn’t invoke at all if there wasn’t a Holocaust industry in Israel seeking to exempt them from all human values).
I’m afraid the Israelis are in denial. Let’s be clear about something: no matter how awful the actions of Islamic nutcases, the Palestinians aren’t oppressing anyone, and never did.
April 5th, 2008
I know there was a book a few years ago on ‘the Holocaust industry’ and although its allegation was that the Holocaust is being exploited in Israel’s favour I didn’t think that the ‘industry’ was said to have started or was being conducted in Israel - though certainly it would have been for its ‘benefit’. I haven’t read the book, which won’t surprise you! I might give it a go. It’s important to keep the mind open and not be adding to the denial that definitely exists. Some Israeli authors (Grossman and Oz) might surprise many people too with their take on things. I don’t know how the appetite for justice will overpower all the fear and mistrust - probably when its the only option left to try. Bock, thanks for the chance to think it through again. I miss the mad place, heartbreaking and all as it is.
April 6th, 2008
Róisín: You shouldn’t be thanking me. I’m only some aggressive fucker complaining about hypocrisy.
April 19th, 2008
The Palestinians were anything but peaceful to Jews fleeing anti semitism in Europe before WW2 and trying to build new lives in their ancestral homeland. Hundreds of Jews were murdered by Arabs in the region in the 30s and pogroms were a regular feature of daily life. The Jews, under the British mandate in Palestine at the time, also had to live under very repressive legislation, especially in relation to the purchase of property. Three times in the last 70 years the Arabs were offered a two state solution (the only long term solution) and three times they rejected same.The despot Arafat, whose wife was/is living in luxury in a Paris penthouse, with millions siphoned off from “aid money” donated to the Palestinians, (google it)
was one of the main obstacles to peace. He’s gone, but the irredentist claim to Palestine continues. But 6 million Israelis ain’t going nowwhere. Meanwhile, Israel has pulled out of the Gaza Strip, the responsibilty for that region
now rests with Hamas or is that Hezzbolah, whatever, two “fine liberal political organisations”
who, when not “killing an hour or two of an afternoon” firing rockes into Israel, would have no hesitation in dragging the region
back to the 10th century and the rest of the world with it. As for Robert Fisk, his anti Israel views are well known at this stage. Fisk, in his book, Pity the Nation, was actually trying to lay the legal framework for the destruction of Israel.
This type of moral ambiguity lends legitimacy to
campaigns of genocide.
It is the type of moral ambiguity that we should understand well as a certain organisation on this island, aided and abbetted by our tacit approval and silence, engaged in a thirty year war of terror on the Unionist population which nearly resulted in the type of civil war which engulfed
Bosnia. Stop supporting irredendist Arab claims.
Their only, “roadmap” if you like, to peace and prosperity for the Arabs is to agree to the two state solution which includes the very generous offer for the ethnic partition of Jerusalem made at Camp David by the Jews. This is the only way to isolate the madmen of Hamas and Hezbollah, who are sponsored by Iran and Syria, two countries sworn to the complete destruction of Israel, which incidently houses about three quarter of a million Arabs - almost ironically,
Israel it is the only country in the Middle East where Arabs can democratically choose their government.
April 20th, 2008
That all seems like a bit prepared, if you don’t mind my saying so. I hope you’re not one of those serial ranters.
April 20th, 2008
That’s a bit rich from you accusing me of being a serial ranter……the entire site is a rant.. “sorry” for interupting the cosy consensus with Roisin
April 20th, 2008
Can you read? I accused you of nothing. I said I hoped you weren’t a serial ranter.
April 20th, 2008
RRRRRRRant
It is estimated/alleged that the despot Arafat siphoned off €11 to €15 million of PLO money and forked it out to the missus Suha.
And Bertie was ran out of office for accepting a “dig out” from his friends, while Arafat was given a state funeral complete with much wailing and knashing of teeth.
Suha, who lives a life of luxury in Paris, and who has rarely stepped foot in Palestine, was (allegedly) receiving around €100,000 a month from the hubby.
This is more than Paul McCartneys wife, Pinochio receives a month from the recent divorce settlement.
“I can’t understand why people should question
a husband supporting his wife” she was quoted as saying when an inquiry into PLO corruption was
launched.
True…but how was Arafat earning the spondolicks…
Maybe he was getting a 20% commission every time an Arab suicide bomber blew hinmself up, i e 20% for at least one Jew dead, 30% for a bus load of Jewish school children,
a sort of bonus scheme for Arafat, whilst the bomber gets to shag the virgins wating in the afterlife.
Either way, you won’t be reading anything about Suha and her domestic financial arrangements with the hubby on the website for the Irish Palestinian Solidarity movement.
But don’t be giving them any money as it could end up in Suhas account, and she there in Paris,
comtemplating life and death options, such as whether to have another cappachino or go buy that new frock while children on the Gaza Strip are starving.
Pity the people of Gaza indeed; on the one hand they are ruled by religious fanatics while the moderates, Abbas and crew, are about as usefull as an ashtray on a motor bike.
On the other hand, the Jews (understandbly) have a tendency to shoot first and ask questions later.
And on top of all that they then have the wife of their former “spiritual leader” living the life of Reilly in Paris on money which was supposed to be for their relief.
April 20th, 2008
That would all be highly relevant if this post was about Arafat’s finances. But it isn’t.
June 18th, 2008
Comparing Zionism to Nazism is utterly wrong, and represents some liberal guilt pathology - ‘now you are as bad as you say our granparents were.’
It is totally inaccurate, the Nazis sought to eliminate all Jews in the world, it became more important to them than winning the war. In Hitler’s last will and testament, he calls not for the continuation of National Socialism but for the killing of more Jews. Why is the Palestinian population increasing? They are not being eliminated.
People also talk about excessive US aid to Israel - remember that the Palestinians also receive bucketloads of cash from Europe, the UN and Arab sources. This money lines the pockets of warlords or gets wasted. Much of Ireland’s aid money goes to the PA. Remember where Dermot Ahern was during 9/11? All cosy in Palestine with Mr. Arafat.
June 18th, 2008
Don’t avoid the point by arguing with things I didn’t say.
Read the post properly: it doesn’t say Zionism is Nazism. It points out the similarities between the way Nazism treated the Jews and the way the Israelis are treating Palestinians.
And by the way, why do you think “Liberal” is a criticism? Are you American?
August 2nd, 2008
No, I’m just indicating that most of this thrash stems from the left-wingers these days. You could make a Goebbels-like speech today at many lefty meetings by replacing the word ‘Jew’ with ‘Zionist’ and get an astounding applause.
And read my post again, I say the Israeli treatment of Palestinians is not similar, the same or in any way parallel.
August 2nd, 2008
And I’m saying it is similar.
There we differ.
You use the term left-winger the same way you use the term Liberal: as a form of abuse.
That’s very American. In most of the civilised world, left-wing politics has a legitimate place, as does a liberal outlook, but not, apparently in Israel.
August 3rd, 2008
I’m not using left winger/liberal as an insult, these are legitimate positions. I regard myself as a free market liberal.
Left-wing politics has indeed a place in Israel, I am on a kibbutz right now, one of socialism’s few successful outlets. If you spend even two minutes in Israel you will see what a forum it is for respectful, but very lively debate for people of all shades of opinion (look at the ridiculous amount of parties in the Knesset, many of them, maybe the majority, lefty)
People today like to portray Israel as being outside of the civilized world, especially in Europe and Arab countries themselves certainly outside the civilized world.
August 3rd, 2008
If you look around this site, you’ll also see criticism of European policies, Islamic attitudes and America’s behaviour in the world. You will also find items on Turkey, Germany, Croatia and Serbia, not to mention Ireland and England. I’m not trying to portray Israel as being outside the civilised world, as you put it.
However, you need to stand back and look at your treatment of the Palestinians. Do you think they attack Israel because it’s their hobby?
August 3rd, 2008
I admire the fact that you have a diverse cross-section of policies/attitudes that you criticize, not just Israel. Many today have made Israel, often along with the U.S. the sole bane of their existence (see George Galloway). Why is Israel the subject of 40% of all critical UN resolutions? Is Israel responsible for 40% of what is wrong in the world?
Look, this conflict isn’t just about land, as many think. Israel withdrew from Gaza and Lebanon completely, nothing was reciprocated from the other side, instead we got rockets. The real barrier to peace is the hatred barrier which calls for the destruction of all Israel and the hunting down of Jews everywhere. As long as they teach the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in Arab schools, and the Hamas Charter stays the way it is, there will be no peace. Islamic extremism has gripped the Palestinians, the old-style Pan-Arab Nationalism, that had a hint of secularism is gone. The left have ironically become the greatest apologists for religious extremism.
Lets take a look at that Charter, which claims claims that the French revolution, the Russian revolution, colonialism and both world wars were created by the Zionists. It also claims the Freemasons and Rotary clubs are Zionist fronts:
‘You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it.’
August 3rd, 2008
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion were a forgery, designed to facilitate the oppression of Jews. I hope you’re not suggesting that this site is in some way anti-Jewish?
August 3rd, 2008
How did you come to that conclusion? I said Hamas are anti-Jewish, who have taken over Gaza, not bocktherobber.com.
August 3rd, 2008
I didn’t come to that conclusion. I only asked.
August 17th, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vMs4GYlCC0
Try telling me they don’t encourage terrorism.
Yes the Israelis put them under horrible conditions, but they’re hardly innocent. There are many innocent israelis suffering under terrorism from Israeli-arabs and from palestinians. The wall cut terrorism by 80%, and both sides of the wall have a large proportion living under the poverty line.
Completely biased view.
August 17th, 2008
When you say “they’re hardly innocent”, are you also talking about terrorist children?
It seems to me that everyone who criticises Israeli policy is characterised as a terrorist.
Would you call Sabra, Bourj-al Barajneh and Chatila terrorism?
August 17th, 2008
I never characterised you a terrorist for criticising Israel. And yes, Sabra and Chatila were acts of terrorism, but they were carried out by Lebanese christians. You could always say that ‘the israeli army knew there would be massacres’ but you can hardly compare it to the terrorism amongst hamas. You fail to understand that so many jews believe that it is their land, and are zionist for that reason. Religious jews in israel don’t join the army. they don’t fight for their country, or lock out others.. they just want it. You really don’t understand that zionists/israeli military are completely different, and you have no real knowledge of what actually happens out there.
August 18th, 2008
I have no interest in what anyone believes. That’s irrelevant.
The DFF were called that by the UN for a very good reason: they were the Israeli de facto forces. They were the Israelis’ proxies, and they did carry out the slaughter with the connivance and agreement of the Israeli military.
You’re straying dangerously close to denial of mass murder, which as we all know, is something the Israelis abhor.
August 18th, 2008
That wasn’t my point.
The Israeli’s actions are awful. But so are the palestinians. And if you were to argue who was behaving more like nazis, the propaganda video in my previous comment does it for me. So if you reread your little passage at the top, maybe you’ll realize that these people aren’t all angels. And if you actually met a zionist, maybe you’d understand that he doesn’t want to have his country ethnically cleansed of arabs.
If these innocent arabs are so amazing, why do they send missiles over schools in Sderot every day, giving kids only 15 seconds to get to cover? Why are Hamas STILL smuggling in thousands of weapons?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRz3nHwgjHY
That’ll give you some idea of why Israelis are keeping palestinians at a safe distance.
August 18th, 2008
I don’t remember saying that these people are all angels. I said in essence the same thing as you: the Israelis’ actions are awful.
When a country is forcibly occupied and violently usurped, as happened in the creation of Israel, there is going to be a backlash, which some will call terrorism and others will call resistance. Menachem Begin was a classic terrorist in his early days, funding his attacks on the British though extortion, yet he ended his days as a respected statesman.
Gaza is by definition a concentration camp, and of all people in the world, one would have thought the Israelis would abhor such a thing. But apparently not.
As regards the propaganda video, if you look around this site, you’ll see a good deal of criticism of Islamic fanaticism, but one video cannot be used to demonise an entire nation.
August 19th, 2008
A video shown to 3 million arab kids? From palestinian TV? Yes it can.