Comments on: Internet Data and Email : New Powers for Irish Police http://bocktherobber.com/2008/04/internet-data-and-email-new-powers-for-irish-police Offending everybody since 2006 Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:59:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Organdonor http://bocktherobber.com/2008/04/internet-data-and-email-new-powers-for-irish-police#comment-21447 Organdonor Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:07:06 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=1129#comment-21447 I know,imagine Cap-locks on for the whole post disgraceful... i'd say drunk though.. I know,imagine Cap-locks on for the whole post disgraceful… i’d say drunk though..

]]> By: Bock http://bocktherobber.com/2008/04/internet-data-and-email-new-powers-for-irish-police#comment-21375 Bock Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:31:47 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=1129#comment-21375 You're either drunk or stoned. Which is it? You’re either drunk or stoned. Which is it?

]]> By: BOCKEDYBOCK http://bocktherobber.com/2008/04/internet-data-and-email-new-powers-for-irish-police#comment-21342 BOCKEDYBOCK Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:21:03 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=1129#comment-21342 OF COURSE THERE ARE CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS(PERVERTS AND STALKERS PEOPLE COMMITING CRIME IN THE AGE OF INFORMATION) WHO DONT LIKE THE IDEA OF THE IRISH GUARDS REPSONSIBLE FOR UPHOLDING THE PEACE HAVING ACCESS TO INTERNET DATA AND EMAIL MAKES PERFECT SENSE, AND THIS ARTICLE IS SOMEWHAT INACCURATE,AND I DONT THINK YOU ARE REALLY.. HOW TO SAY..GETTING THE POINT HERE,IF A CRIME IS COMMITTED..THE RELEVANT AUTHORITIES SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO EMAIL ACCOUNTS AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO TRACE ANYONE WHO IS SUSPECT GOOGLE ALREADY HAVE SOFTWARE WATCHING EVERYONE ANYWAY..AND IN 2006 A BILL WAS PASSED THROUGH ON A NEED TO KNOW BASIS FOR A PILOT PROGRAMME RECORDING EVERYONE ON MSN MESSENGER IF I WANTED TO I COULD TRACE SOMEONE WITH THE RIGHT SOFWARE ALL THE BIG COMPANIES ARE DOING IT! OF COURSE THERE ARE CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS(PERVERTS AND STALKERS PEOPLE COMMITING CRIME IN THE AGE OF INFORMATION) WHO DONT LIKE THE IDEA OF THE IRISH GUARDS REPSONSIBLE FOR UPHOLDING THE PEACE HAVING ACCESS TO INTERNET DATA AND EMAIL MAKES PERFECT SENSE, AND THIS ARTICLE IS SOMEWHAT INACCURATE,AND I DONT THINK YOU ARE REALLY.. HOW TO SAY..GETTING THE POINT HERE,IF A CRIME IS COMMITTED..THE RELEVANT AUTHORITIES SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO EMAIL ACCOUNTS AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO TRACE ANYONE WHO IS SUSPECT GOOGLE ALREADY HAVE SOFTWARE WATCHING EVERYONE ANYWAY..AND IN 2006 A BILL WAS PASSED THROUGH ON A NEED TO KNOW BASIS FOR A PILOT PROGRAMME RECORDING EVERYONE ON MSN MESSENGER IF I WANTED TO I COULD TRACE SOMEONE WITH THE RIGHT SOFWARE ALL THE BIG COMPANIES ARE DOING IT!

]]> By: FPL http://bocktherobber.com/2008/04/internet-data-and-email-new-powers-for-irish-police#comment-20771 FPL Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:26:37 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=1129#comment-20771 Actually the use of torture is never morally acceptable, if you uphold the Geneva Convention and the European Convention on Human Rights. These daft hypothetical arguments are fatuous. Actually the use of torture is never morally acceptable, if you uphold the Geneva Convention and the European Convention on Human Rights. These daft hypothetical arguments are fatuous.

]]> By: Michael Barry http://bocktherobber.com/2008/04/internet-data-and-email-new-powers-for-irish-police#comment-20762 Michael Barry Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:21:05 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=1129#comment-20762 hmmm.. so if its morally acceptable to torture someone, then of course its fine for the guards to got through the details of their emails. How else are they going to find additional suspects to torture! hmmm.. so if its morally acceptable to torture someone, then of course its fine for the guards to got through the details of their emails. How else are they going to find additional suspects to torture!

]]> By: samuel10000 http://bocktherobber.com/2008/04/internet-data-and-email-new-powers-for-irish-police#comment-20756 samuel10000 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:23:30 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=1129#comment-20756 Is the use of torture morally aceptable to extract information from a suspect in police custody? In principle we'll all say no. However, a geezer rambling on in the Times recently made the following hypothetical argument for the use of torture. Police have a terrorist in custody, but he is invoking his right to say FA. But police suspect strongly that he knows exactly where a massive explosive is planted in the City Centre. So do they give him the father of a bating and get the info out of him, or respect his legal right to stay mum? If they take the latter option thousands could die, the former, and they can save lives but are abusing the suspects human rights. So are there instances where torture is morally acceptable?. Likewise with the Gardai playing Big Bro on our internet accounts. If they can collar major criminals from info taken from cyberspace and the side effect is the erosion of our privacy, is this morally acceptable?. It is a hard call, but if, as pointed out in the main article, the Gardai are given carte blanche to use these new powers for tittle tattle and vindictiveness then we should all worry. Is the use of torture morally aceptable to extract information from a suspect in police custody?

In principle we’ll all say no.

However, a geezer rambling on in the Times recently made the following hypothetical argument for the use of torture.

Police have a terrorist in custody, but he is invoking his right to say FA. But police suspect strongly that he knows exactly where a massive explosive is planted in the City Centre.

So do they give him the father of a bating and get the info out of him, or respect his legal right to stay mum?

If they take the latter option thousands could die, the former, and they can save lives but are abusing the suspects human rights.

So are there instances where torture is morally acceptable?.

Likewise with the Gardai playing Big Bro on our internet accounts.

If they can collar major criminals from info taken from cyberspace and the side effect is the erosion of our privacy, is this morally acceptable?.

It is a hard call, but if, as pointed out in the main article, the Gardai are given carte blanche to use these new powers for tittle tattle and vindictiveness then we should all worry.

]]> By: Bock the Robber http://bocktherobber.com/2008/04/internet-data-and-email-new-powers-for-irish-police#comment-20737 Bock the Robber Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:25:28 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=1129#comment-20737 As I understand it, the request will have to come from the top. However, the internal controls aren't specified, and in any event, it's a redefinition of what constitutes serious crime. Watch out for a scoop on the abysmal standard of Garda IT security. Coming soon to a blog near you. As I understand it, the request will have to come from the top. However, the internal controls aren’t specified, and in any event, it’s a redefinition of what constitutes serious crime.

Watch out for a scoop on the abysmal standard of Garda IT security. Coming soon to a blog near you.

]]> By: Conan Drumm http://bocktherobber.com/2008/04/internet-data-and-email-new-powers-for-irish-police#comment-20736 Conan Drumm Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:20:19 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=1129#comment-20736 The only way this should be allowed is on foot of a written request from a Chief Super or higher rank, with the proviso that if such a request is proven to have been made on spurious grounds then the requester will lose their job and their pension (to cover the possibility discovery might come to light after they retired). The only way this should be allowed is on foot of a written request from a Chief Super or higher rank, with the proviso that if such a request is proven to have been made on spurious grounds then the requester will lose their job and their pension (to cover the possibility discovery might come to light after they retired).

]]> By: Bock http://bocktherobber.com/2008/04/internet-data-and-email-new-powers-for-irish-police#comment-20710 Bock Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:14:56 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=1129#comment-20710 B'dum: <a href=http://www.ispai.ie/DR%20as%20published%20OJ%2013-04-06.pdf rel="nofollow">Here</a> Thriftcriminal: If the offence specified in the Act carries a penalty of six months or more, you're in. Galwaywegian: What a relief! B’dum: Here

Thriftcriminal: If the offence specified in the Act carries a penalty of six months or more, you’re in.

Galwaywegian: What a relief!

]]> By: galwaywegian http://bocktherobber.com/2008/04/internet-data-and-email-new-powers-for-irish-police#comment-20709 galwaywegian Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:49:54 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=1129#comment-20709 Well thank heavens it's the Gardaí who will be accessing this information and not some corrupt state-backed organisation who have been caught numerous times resorting to frame ups, blackmail and all forms of duress to "get a result". Why,we wouldn't be able to sleep at night! Well thank heavens it’s the Gardaí who will be accessing this information and not some corrupt state-backed organisation who have been caught numerous times resorting to frame ups, blackmail and all forms of duress to “get a result”. Why,we wouldn’t be able to sleep at night!

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