Comments on: Lisbon Treaty. One Reason To Vote Yes. http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/lisbon-treaty-one-reason-to-vote-yes Sat, 13 Mar 2010 05:18:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Bock http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/lisbon-treaty-one-reason-to-vote-yes/comment-page-2#comment-81533 Bock Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:54:54 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=1189#comment-81533 Eh, Daniel. I'm afraid I have bad news for you. Eh, Daniel. I’m afraid I have bad news for you.

]]> By: Seconds Out http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/lisbon-treaty-one-reason-to-vote-yes/comment-page-2#comment-81529 Seconds Out Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:31:37 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=1189#comment-81529 I'm glad you cleared that up in the second post Daniel because your first post was reading so well until your point was totally lost in the final sentence. Fair play to you. I’m glad you cleared that up in the second post Daniel because your first post was reading so well until your point was totally lost in the final sentence. Fair play to you.

]]> By: DANIEL http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/lisbon-treaty-one-reason-to-vote-yes/comment-page-2#comment-81527 DANIEL Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:11:18 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=1189#comment-81527 i will say no i will say no

]]> By: DANIEL http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/lisbon-treaty-one-reason-to-vote-yes/comment-page-2#comment-81526 DANIEL Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:10:08 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=1189#comment-81526 i do not give the fuck to this country. resist in it whats resist for. A lady in my estate is like this to all the children get of my property .Go play on the field. i think she fuking being retarded.What do u think!Isay NO ON THE elecsons i do not give the fuck to this country. resist in it whats resist for. A lady in my estate is like this to all the children get of my property .Go play on the field. i think she fuking being retarded.What do u think!Isay NO ON THE elecsons

]]> By: thesystemworks http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/lisbon-treaty-one-reason-to-vote-yes/comment-page-2#comment-81018 thesystemworks Sat, 26 Sep 2009 23:31:46 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=1189#comment-81018 I don't think people who believe firmly in the sanctity of life can honestly be compared to Nazis. Nazism means something, it is not just an insult for people you don't like. I had dinner with Richard Greene once (I became friends with one of his kids in my final year at law school, which I finished a few months ago) and found he and his family charming. It was funny walking into his house and seeing a table of anti-Lisbon publications next to the entrance. But he didn't strike me as a fundamentalist - he has a lot of sympathy with the small, limited government position, according to his son. His family seem close, humble and a highly intelligent bunch to be honest. I don’t think people who believe firmly in the sanctity of life can honestly be compared to Nazis. Nazism means something, it is not just an insult for people you don’t like.

I had dinner with Richard Greene once (I became friends with one of his kids in my final year at law school, which I finished a few months ago) and found he and his family charming. It was funny walking into his house and seeing a table of anti-Lisbon publications next to the entrance. But he didn’t strike me as a fundamentalist – he has a lot of sympathy with the small, limited government position, according to his son. His family seem close, humble and a highly intelligent bunch to be honest.

]]> By: Rally for Life | Big Mental Disease http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/lisbon-treaty-one-reason-to-vote-yes/comment-page-2#comment-76380 Rally for Life | Big Mental Disease Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:07:51 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=1189#comment-76380 [...] today to look at the Rally for Life held by Nazi Crackpots Youth Defence (in association with their various friends and also the American Christian Right). Plenty of frightened, brainwashed kids shamelessly [...] [...] today to look at the Rally for Life held by Nazi Crackpots Youth Defence (in association with their various friends and also the American Christian Right). Plenty of frightened, brainwashed kids shamelessly [...]

]]> By: Bock http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/lisbon-treaty-one-reason-to-vote-yes/comment-page-2#comment-61452 Bock Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:00:35 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=1189#comment-61452 I have sent Mr Gilroy the following email, and we'll see how he responds. <i>Dear Mr Gilroy We are currently preparing an article on the legality of certain prescription medicines in various EU countries. As part of the background research to this article, I have been forwarded an email purportedly sent by you to Mr Noel McCullagh, a copy of which is appended below. We are treating the quoted email as a hoax, for obvious reasons, and I would be obliged if you would be kind enough to confirm it was not in fact written by you, as I do not wish to quote you in error or to misrepresent your position in any way.</i> I have sent Mr Gilroy the following email, and we’ll see how he responds.

Dear Mr Gilroy

We are currently preparing an article on the legality of certain prescription medicines in various EU countries. As part of the background research to this article, I have been forwarded an email purportedly sent by you to Mr Noel McCullagh, a copy of which is appended below.

We are treating the quoted email as a hoax, for obvious reasons, and I would be obliged if you would be kind enough to confirm it was not in fact written by you, as I do not wish to quote you in error or to misrepresent your position in any way.

]]> By: C'est La Craic http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/lisbon-treaty-one-reason-to-vote-yes/comment-page-2#comment-61444 C'est La Craic Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:37:54 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=1189#comment-61444 Bunch of cunts. <i>This Department is aware that claims have been made in respect of cannabis and some research has been authorised relating to the possible benefits for patients suffering from certain conditions</i> hmm, funny, I've never seen ANY research explaining why it's illegal. Of course if it's for forensic purposes that's ok. Or if you want to use it in the manufacturing process, sure why not but god help you if you want to use it to save your life or eliviate pain. What an utter bunch of born bastards. And Mister John Gilroy Esquire, all capitas and no compassion, didn't seem to think that it would be worth his while getting off his hole and making a bit of an effort to help one of the ex-pats in the country where he's assigned. Thanks for sharing that. I'm sure it pisses the hell out of you just to tell the story. It pisses the hell out of me Bunch of cunts.
This Department is aware that claims have been made in respect of cannabis and some research has been authorised relating to the possible benefits for patients suffering from certain conditions
hmm, funny, I’ve never seen ANY research explaining why it’s illegal.
Of course if it’s for forensic purposes that’s ok. Or if you want to use it in the manufacturing process, sure why not but god help you if you want to use it to save your life or eliviate pain.
What an utter bunch of born bastards.
And Mister John Gilroy Esquire, all capitas and no compassion, didn’t seem to think that it would be worth his while getting off his hole and making a bit of an effort to help one of the ex-pats in the country where he’s assigned.
Thanks for sharing that. I’m sure it pisses the hell out of you just to tell the story. It pisses the hell out of me

]]> By: Noelito http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/lisbon-treaty-one-reason-to-vote-yes/comment-page-2#comment-61434 Noelito Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:32:52 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=1189#comment-61434 oh ... we did get an answer... from the Irish Medicines Board. They put us in touch with the Embassy of Ireland in Den Haag... (the Hague in Eng). I spoke to a lady there... but unfortunately she is a Dutch and her English was really crap. I got nowhere. So I asked her if it was possible to meet with an Irish. It wasnt. But I was invited to email. this is the answer.... after that we approached the Irish Medicines Board, who said it was probably no problem. But they would check with the Irishes Health Board in Hawk's House in Dublin. They didnt respond in writing... but told the IMB to relay the message "no way". this was the earlier message from the Irish Embassy in Den Haag... which was via the Private Secretary of the then Minister of Justice Equality & Law Reform of the Irishes Republic. noel De: John.Gilroy@dfa.ie [mailto:John.Gilroy@dfa.ie] Date: ven. 5/25/2007 13:38 À: Noel McCullagh de la part de APTN Desk Cc: Michael.Hurley@dfa.ie; Barbara.Lely@dfa.ie Objet : RE: Certificate to carry narcotic drugs and/or psychotropic substances for the purpose of medical treatment pursuant to Article 75 of the Implementing Convention SCH/Com-ex (94) 28 Dear Mr. McCullagh, I have contacted my colleagues in the Department of Justice regarding your query. General information on Cannabis Cannabis is a Schedule 1 controlled drug under the Misuse of Drugs Acts, 1977 and 1984. It is also one of the controlled drugs which has been designated for the purpose of Section 13 of the Misuse of Drugs Act, 1977. The nature of the controls provided under the Misuse of Drugs Acts are those which, according to current U.N. Conventions on Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances, must be applied to substances for which there is no current recognised medical or scientific use. Under these laws, the manufacture, possession, supply and prescription and use of the drug are prohibited, except under licence from the Minister for Health and Children. Legal position in Ireland The current legal position in relation to cannabis is that it is a Schedule 1 controlled drug under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1977 which means that it has no medical use. Under Section 13(1) of the MDA 1977, the manufacture, production, preparation, sale, supply (including administration), distribution and possession of cannabis is unlawful except for the purposes of research. Under the Misuse of Drugs (Designation) Order, 1998 and by virtue of the designation under Section 13 of the Act, licences may be only granted for the purposes of research, forensic analysis or, in respect of the use of the drug, as an essential intermediate or starting material in an industrial manufacturing process. Licences may also be granted in the case of certain low Tetrahydrocannabinol plant varieties of Cannabis for the growing of hemp. This Department is aware that claims have been made in respect of cannabis and some research has been authorised relating to the possible benefits for patients suffering from certain conditions such as Multiple Sclerosis (MS) and Glaucoma. As the law currently stands, however, it would not be possible for a cannabis extract to be licensed here for medical use or for a General Practitioner to prescribe it. As per the 1998 Designation Order (SI 69) there are only 3 uses for any schedule 1 drug of which all forms of cannabis are included. They are forensic analysis, research and as a starter or intermediate in an industrial manufacturing process. Schedule 1 drugs are not designated as having a medicinal use in Ireland, so the import and possession of such drugs is unlawful. There are NO exemptions or exceptions applicable. I trust this information will be of use, All the best & have a nice weekend ! John Gilroy Esq. Second Secretary Embassy of Ireland The Hague KINGDOM OF THE NETHERLANDS Tel: +31.70.363.0993 Fax: +31.70.361.7604 www.irishembassy.nl +++++++++++++++++++ All our subsequent emails to these Irish animals simply refer us to "the answer" "already provided to you" by "official Republic of Ireland Government Authorities on 25 May 2007". Noel PS what the hell is happening to your English over there? Government... Authorities... only ze Germans give capital letters to all nouns , as these ones do in their "email-nasties". oh … we did get an answer… from the Irish Medicines Board. They put us in touch with the Embassy of Ireland in Den Haag… (the Hague in Eng).
I spoke to a lady there… but unfortunately she is a Dutch and her English was really crap. I got nowhere. So I asked her if it was possible to meet with an Irish.

It wasnt. But I was invited to email.

this is the answer….

after that we approached the Irish Medicines Board, who said it was probably no problem.

But they would check with the Irishes Health Board in Hawk’s House in Dublin. They didnt respond in writing… but told the IMB to relay the message “no way”.

this was the earlier message from the Irish Embassy in Den Haag… which was via the Private Secretary of the then Minister of Justice Equality & Law Reform of the Irishes Republic.

noel

De: John.Gilroy@dfa.ie [mailto:John.Gilroy@dfa.ie]
Date: ven. 5/25/2007 13:38
À: Noel McCullagh de la part de APTN Desk
Cc: Michael.Hurley@dfa.ie; Barbara.Lely@dfa.ie
Objet : RE: Certificate to carry narcotic drugs and/or psychotropic substances for the purpose of medical treatment pursuant to Article 75 of the Implementing Convention SCH/Com-ex (94) 28

Dear Mr. McCullagh,

I have contacted my colleagues in the Department of Justice regarding your query.

General information on Cannabis

Cannabis is a Schedule 1 controlled drug under the Misuse of Drugs Acts, 1977 and 1984. It is also one of the controlled drugs which has been designated for the purpose of Section 13 of the Misuse of Drugs Act, 1977. The nature of the controls provided under the Misuse of Drugs Acts are those which, according to current U.N. Conventions on Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances, must be applied to substances for which there is no current recognised medical or scientific use. Under these laws, the manufacture, possession, supply and prescription and use of the drug are prohibited, except under licence from the Minister for Health and Children.

Legal position in Ireland

The current legal position in relation to cannabis is that it is a Schedule 1 controlled drug under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1977 which means that it has no medical use. Under Section 13(1) of the MDA 1977, the manufacture, production, preparation, sale, supply (including administration), distribution and possession of cannabis is unlawful except for the purposes of research. Under the Misuse of Drugs (Designation) Order, 1998 and by virtue of the designation under Section 13 of the Act, licences may be only granted for the purposes of research, forensic analysis or, in respect of the use of the drug, as an essential intermediate or starting material in an industrial manufacturing process. Licences may also be granted in the case of certain low Tetrahydrocannabinol plant varieties of Cannabis for the growing of hemp.

This Department is aware that claims have been made in respect of cannabis and some research has been authorised relating to the possible benefits for patients suffering from certain conditions such as Multiple Sclerosis (MS) and Glaucoma. As the law currently stands, however, it would not be possible for a cannabis extract to be licensed here for medical use or for a General Practitioner to prescribe it.

As per the 1998 Designation Order (SI 69) there are only 3 uses for any schedule 1 drug of which all forms of cannabis are included. They are forensic analysis, research and as a starter or intermediate in an industrial manufacturing process. Schedule 1 drugs are not designated as having a medicinal use in Ireland, so the import and possession of such drugs is unlawful.

There are NO exemptions or exceptions applicable.

I trust this information will be of use,

All the best & have a nice weekend !

John Gilroy Esq.
Second Secretary
Embassy of Ireland The Hague
KINGDOM OF THE NETHERLANDS
Tel: +31.70.363.0993
Fax: +31.70.361.7604
http://www.irishembassy.nl

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All our subsequent emails to these Irish animals
simply refer us to “the answer” “already provided
to you”
by “official Republic of Ireland Government
Authorities on 25 May 2007″.

Noel

PS what the hell is happening to your English over
there? Government… Authorities… only ze Germans
give capital letters to all nouns , as these ones do in
their “email-nasties”.

]]> By: C'est La Craic http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/lisbon-treaty-one-reason-to-vote-yes/comment-page-2#comment-61408 C'est La Craic Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:17:16 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/?p=1189#comment-61408 That is a fucking disgrace. If I understand you correctly, the Irish government and more particularly the health board have basicly said they don't understand your situation and will make no attempt to. A nice big, fat fuckyou ! Even though that puts them in breach of international law. That sounds like them all right. It's much easier to go after some one who takes mediciation derived from the cannabis plant than to tackle the heroin dealing murderous fucks who roam the streets. Could it not be argued that not allowing you to take the medication while exercising your civil right as an Irish citizen (in other words going home) is a breach of your human rights? That is a fucking disgrace. If I understand you correctly, the Irish government and more particularly the health board have basicly said they don’t understand your situation and will make no attempt to. A nice big, fat fuckyou ! Even though that puts them in breach of international law. That sounds like them all right.
It’s much easier to go after some one who takes mediciation derived from the cannabis plant than to tackle the heroin dealing murderous fucks who roam the streets.
Could it not be argued that not allowing you to take the medication while exercising your civil right as an Irish citizen (in other words going home) is a breach of your human rights?

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