Comments on: The Morris Tribunal and the Wall of Silence http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/the-morris-tribunal-and-the-wall-of-silence Offending everybody since 2006 Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:32:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Billy http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/the-morris-tribunal-and-the-wall-of-silence#comment-59809 Billy Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:35:04 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/the-morris-tribunal-and-the-wall-of-silence#comment-59809 What you are saying so William is that you think its perfectly OK for Al-Qaeda et al to operate freely in this country once there is a 100% detection on burglaries? As regards the Garda being a political police force please tell me which country has a police force totally independent of Government? It does not exist and in the USA for instance local police forces are controlled directly by an elected Mayor. What people seem to forget during these orgies of armchair criticisms of the Gardai are the thousands of Gardai that go to work every day and do a perfectly good and honest days work. Of course DonegaL was a disaster that should not have happened. That it has been investigated and remedial action taken shows the system does work. But to then paint everyone in the Garda Siochana as corrupt gangsters is the same as calling all Muslims terrorists. What you are saying so William is that you think its perfectly OK for Al-Qaeda et al to operate freely in this country once there is a 100% detection on burglaries?
As regards the Garda being a political police force please tell me which country has a police force totally independent of Government? It does not exist and in the USA for instance local police forces are controlled directly by an elected Mayor.
What people seem to forget during these orgies of armchair criticisms of the Gardai are the thousands of Gardai that go to work every day and do a perfectly good and honest days work. Of course DonegaL was a disaster that should not have happened. That it has been investigated and remedial action taken shows the system does work. But to then paint everyone in the Garda Siochana as corrupt gangsters is the same as calling all Muslims terrorists.

]]> By: William http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/the-morris-tribunal-and-the-wall-of-silence#comment-26627 William Sun, 11 May 2008 19:38:04 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/the-morris-tribunal-and-the-wall-of-silence#comment-26627 ferdia 2010 you are correct in your assertion that the the Gardai are a political police force.It states in the leaflet sent to homes last year..An Garda Siochana summary of policing plan 2007..strategic objectives.. their first objective is to maintain national and international security.The afterthoughts are..crime..road safety..public disorder..nurturing respect and trust..and last meeting the needs and priorities of the people of Ireland..Does anybody have any idea why state security would be the first priority of a so called civil police force.What threats to its existence either external or internal does the Republic of Ireland face at this moment ?. Yet this is to be the priority of its police force.Especialy at a time when crime is getting out of control in Ireland but still this is not their first priority but second on their list.Not only have they given Irish state security but in fact international security is also their top priority.They have by extension decided to protect the state security of all the nations on earth.A somewhat grandiose mission by a little Tin Pot Police force in the middle of nowhere.It is interesting to note that it is at the bottom of their list to provide a police force that reflects the needs and priorities of the people of Ireland ferdia 2010 you are correct in your assertion that the the Gardai are a political police force.It states in the leaflet sent to homes last year..An Garda Siochana summary of policing plan 2007..strategic objectives.. their first objective is to maintain national and international security.The afterthoughts are..crime..road safety..public disorder..nurturing respect and trust..and last meeting the needs and priorities of the people of Ireland..Does anybody have any idea why state security would be the first priority of a so called civil police force.What threats to its existence either external or internal does the Republic of Ireland face at this moment ?. Yet this is to be the priority of its police force.Especialy at a time when crime is getting out of control in Ireland but still this is not their first priority but second on their list.Not only have they given Irish state security but in fact international security is also their top priority.They have by extension decided to protect the state security of all the nations on earth.A somewhat grandiose mission by a little Tin Pot Police force in the middle of nowhere.It is interesting to note that it is at the bottom of their list to provide a police force that reflects the needs and priorities of the people of Ireland

]]> By: ferdia2010 http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/the-morris-tribunal-and-the-wall-of-silence#comment-26565 ferdia2010 Sun, 11 May 2008 16:08:42 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/the-morris-tribunal-and-the-wall-of-silence#comment-26565 well what i meant to say that is i think the guards in limerick would give u a "clattering" miles faster than the ones in donegal. It was twelve years ago since i lived up there maybe i am nostalgic . i can remember the stuff in the Dillion bros carpark the rest was after i had left. The main problem with the police as far i can see is that it is a political police force protects the "guys" up top and the rest is extra. If i meet up with any of the donegal lads i will email you with they say Bock. well what i meant to say that is i think the guards
in limerick would give u a “clattering” miles faster than the ones in donegal. It was twelve years ago since i lived up there maybe i am nostalgic . i can remember the stuff in the Dillion bros carpark the rest was after i had left. The main problem with the police as far i can see is that it is a political police force protects the “guys” up top and the rest is extra. If i meet up with any of the donegal lads i will email you with they say Bock.

]]> By: FPL http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/the-morris-tribunal-and-the-wall-of-silence#comment-26461 FPL Sun, 11 May 2008 10:28:51 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/the-morris-tribunal-and-the-wall-of-silence#comment-26461 I suppose that would the same gardai that failed to investigate corrupt politicians. A bit of mutual back scratching perhaps. I suppose that would the same gardai that failed to investigate corrupt politicians. A bit of mutual back scratching perhaps.

]]> By: Andrew http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/the-morris-tribunal-and-the-wall-of-silence#comment-26014 Andrew Sat, 10 May 2008 09:17:13 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/the-morris-tribunal-and-the-wall-of-silence#comment-26014 The Gardai are deeply embedded in society as is the corruption of the law. They are easily corrupted and only increased policing (and punishment) of the Gardai will reduce it. But who do we get to police the police? We ARE in deep deep trouble. The Gardai are deeply embedded in society as is the corruption of the law. They are easily corrupted and only increased policing (and punishment) of the Gardai will reduce it.

But who do we get to police the police?

We ARE in deep deep trouble.

]]> By: William http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/the-morris-tribunal-and-the-wall-of-silence#comment-25191 William Thu, 08 May 2008 10:39:06 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/the-morris-tribunal-and-the-wall-of-silence#comment-25191 A picture of the extent of the problem may be seen by the fact that the Garda Ombudsman Commisson is struggling to cope with the volume of complaints against an Garda Siochana.And its a fair bet that those 3000 or so complaints are only the tip of the iceberg.The Gardai have been left do as they like and have answered to nobody for the last eighty something years.During that time they have slowly evolved into a putrid mess. A picture of the extent of the problem may be seen by the fact that the Garda Ombudsman Commisson is struggling to cope with the volume of complaints against an Garda Siochana.And its a fair bet that those 3000 or so complaints are only the tip of the iceberg.The Gardai have been left do as they like and have answered to nobody for the last eighty something years.During that time they have slowly evolved into a putrid mess.

]]> By: Chuntzu http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/the-morris-tribunal-and-the-wall-of-silence#comment-25153 Chuntzu Thu, 08 May 2008 08:53:48 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/the-morris-tribunal-and-the-wall-of-silence#comment-25153 The Garda here were traditionally Knights Of Columbanus rather than free masons – a Catholic version where they also dressed in silly robes and machinated behind closed doors. Those days of funny dresses are gone but some of the old, insular mindset remains. That said there’s new sheriff in town! http://www.gardaombudsman.ie/ There’s hope yet. The Garda here were traditionally Knights Of Columbanus rather than free masons – a Catholic version where they also dressed in silly robes and machinated behind closed doors. Those days of funny dresses are gone but some of the old, insular mindset remains. That said there’s new sheriff in town!

http://www.gardaombudsman.ie/

There’s hope yet.

]]> By: snookertony http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/the-morris-tribunal-and-the-wall-of-silence#comment-25090 snookertony Thu, 08 May 2008 05:10:14 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/the-morris-tribunal-and-the-wall-of-silence#comment-25090 What power does the tribunal have? Can it recommend sacking? If a fair quantity of heads were seen to roll, and not just small fry but a few of the brass also, it might put the fear of god into the rest of them around the country and maybe they'd start getting their act together. Not a perfect world, though, is it... First stop. Clean out the training centre. Get rid of the thickheads and the brainless. This should be a modern police force, not a sheltered workshop. Second step. Insist on further education for the lot of them as they progress through the ranks. Nothing too hard, say, let's start with basic primary school stuff. then on to secondry, etc... Ah, well... what're the odds... What power does the tribunal have?
Can it recommend sacking?

If a fair quantity of heads were seen to roll, and not just small fry but a few of the brass also, it might put the fear of god into the rest of them around the country and maybe they’d start getting their act together.

Not a perfect world, though, is it…

First stop. Clean out the training centre. Get rid of the thickheads and the brainless. This should be a modern police force, not a sheltered workshop.
Second step. Insist on further education for the lot of them as they progress through the ranks. Nothing too hard, say, let’s start with basic primary school stuff. then on to secondry, etc…

Ah, well… what’re the odds…

]]> By: Bock http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/the-morris-tribunal-and-the-wall-of-silence#comment-24982 Bock Wed, 07 May 2008 23:02:56 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/the-morris-tribunal-and-the-wall-of-silence#comment-24982 I see. So you have some inside information about the McBrearty case, the Frank Shortt case and the Adrienne McGlinchy fiasco then. Who killed Richie Barron? I see. So you have some inside information about the McBrearty case, the Frank Shortt case and the Adrienne McGlinchy fiasco then.

Who killed Richie Barron?

]]> By: ferdia2010 http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/the-morris-tribunal-and-the-wall-of-silence#comment-24961 ferdia2010 Wed, 07 May 2008 21:47:03 +0000 http://bocktherobber.com/2008/05/the-morris-tribunal-and-the-wall-of-silence#comment-24961 I used live in donegal i didn't think the guards there where that bad ... i remember lots and lots of late night drinking and loads of poteen around and the guards didn't say anything !! The guards in limerick are way worse .. thats what i think anyway I used live in donegal i didn’t think the guards there where that bad … i remember lots and lots of late night drinking and loads of poteen around and the guards didn’t say anything !! The guards in limerick are way worse .. thats what i think anyway

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