Andrew Hanlon. Gunned Down By An American Cop
Posted on Thursday, July 3, 2008
This is the Irish kid an Oregon cop riddled with bullets. His name was Andrew Hanlon, and he was a 20-year-old artist. He was also psychologically vulnerable and had overstayed his visa in the US.
Twenty years of age. Dear God, I can see my own young fella in his eyes. Imagine the heartbreak if he was your son.
No other firearm was found at the scene where Officer Tony Gonzales shot him seven times, and now the small-town police force is closing ranks against Andrew’s family. Closing them out. Refusing to comment. Refusing to tell them what became of their boy. Waiting for the trail to go cold.
The cover-up has started.
AJ’s sister and father were allowed to see the body and noted that he had two bullet holes in his arm, three in his abdomen, one in his thigh and one between his shoulder blades.
Andrew was shot in the back.
The police are closing ranks. Although a force from a nearby town is investigating, it appears that these people have considerable sympathy for Gonzales. They’re also ill-equipped to deal with the case. Silvertion calls itself a city, but is in fact a small settlement of 7,000 people, and the police in this part of the US are not exactly at the cutting edge of investigative skill, even if they had the motivation to thoroughly investigate a fellow oficer. As the Hanlons’ lawyer said, It’s a fraternity.
It might be more of a fraternity than we realise. The city authorities are closing ranks, it seems. Having removed a memorial to Andrew, they then destroyed the various artworks and photos made for him by his friends.
As if that wasn’t enough, the medical examiner refused to give a copy of the autopsy report to the family, who will have to wait six weeks for information about the causes of his death. That’s three weeks after the Grand Jury hearing. As one correspondent put it, the report will be like an old dead herring left in unplugged refrigerator.
It seems that more than the police are closing ranks. This looks sinister, and to my eyes, would appear to warrant a Federal investigation. What is going on in Silverton? What sort of place is this, where town officials, police force and the medical examiner all seem to be acting with a common purpose?
There’s a worrying hint of Silverton’s intolerant side on this Barack Obama site, of all places.
Meanwhile, Andrew’s mother can’t afford the journey to Silverton, Oregon, or the transport costs to bring her dead son home. No way to say goodbye.
Be angry at this. It’s a disgrace.
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UPDATE: Friends of AJ are starting to leave comments here. If anybody wants to tell their story about their friendship with him, or if you want to tell the world about the person he is, I’ll be happy to include it as part of this post.
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UPDATE 13th July 2008
The individual who killed AJ is Tony Gonzales, a 35-year-old 240-pound former Marine, martial arts expert and cage fighter.
Gonzales has today been taken into custody on accusations of sexually abusing a minor. Tony Gonzales is being held on allegations of two charges of first-degree sexual abuse and three of third-degree sexual abuse.
I’m happy to go with the Egan family’s description of this man in the comment section:
A power hungry, trigger-happy coward - a thug.
The story is at Oregonlive, HERE
His Myspace page shows him sitting on his motorbike, under the slogan Ride hard or don’t ride at all..
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All Bock posts on AJ Hanlon HERE
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Delivering Justice
I believe that everyone should be held accountable. Justice must always be public, accessible and fair. Everyone is entitled to be treated with dignity and respect.
Walter M. Beglau
Marion County District Attorney
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Andrew’s family have set up a fund to help with their costs. If you’d like to contribute, these are the details.
Account name: Kate Hanlon re Andrew Hanlon Home Fund
Account number; 08376045
Sort code; 93 13 30
Bank; AIB Terenure, Dublin
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AJ Hanlon 1988 - 2008 RIP
TESTIMONIALS
Mel Castelo:
Andrew was gentle and kind, even timid at times.
He froze at any type of confrontation or violence.
He had an ethereal imagination and loved to tell made up stories and he adored art.
He expressed himself greatly through drawing and painting.
Andrew James Hanlon.
A boy with a heart too big for this world,
an eagerness to make anyone smile or laugh
and eyes, big wondrous eyes…
eyes that allowed you to see love, curiosity, compassion, sensitivity
even sadness, confusion and his inner struggle to make sense of it all.
But most of all - you could see hope.
Hope for a better tomorrow
and a brighter future.
A future that will no longer be.
Our hearts are shattered,
our souls are lost and
our spirits are broken.
We’d like to thank all those who have Andrew and our family in your thoughts and prayers.
God Bless,
Andrew’s aunt in California
The Egan Family:
Its a long time since we last met Dorothea and the Hanlons. AJ was only a toddler then. Lovely family and great kids: Melanie Jane, Eamonn Thomas and Mary Kate (as we knew them) Danielle not born back then. We knew the kids dad, Eamonn, thru family.
No one knows the full facts here but lets be straight about what we do know : AJ was ‘riddled with bullets’ by this ‘part-time’ police officer. No other shots have been fired either by AJ or other officers. Now think about that… Either the cop is trigger-happy or a coward!. An unarmed man! Why didn’t he simply ‘wing him’ if he wanted to apprehend him.
Thousands of Irish parents including us, worry to death when we see off our kids at the Airport on their way to the States because life and attitudes have changed so much over there. Never mind the number of freaks at every corner, now the various police forces in the US seem to have been given or have assumed new powers/rules of engagement since 9/11. Lots of reports and anecdotal evidence from people who have lived and worked there tells us that the USA is fast becoming a police state.
Comments about AJ’s mental state, I believe, were off the cuff with no real diagnosis by a professional. Most teens, early 20’s etc, have ‘mental issues’. Like us all in the past we have to grow up, get thru our anger, self doubt, paranoia etc..
Anyway, the bottom line: He was just a kid and he has been killed unnecessarily. I hope that cop can live with his conscience. AJ may have needed help but I cant believe, in any circumsances, that he needed to be shot to death.
RIP AJ and al our love to Dorothea, kids, Eamonn and extended family from Ger, Gina, Jamie, Ritchie and Keith Egan. Will be in touch…..
Brian Keenan-Hall:
I knew Andrew Hanlon very well as I was his landlord for a couple of years. I remember the first time I met Andrew how much I taken by his gentleness and lovely soft accent. He was the essence of ability and courtesy in all his dealings with me. He was a big soft Kid with no agression in him.
He came from a good family, albeit his parents were seperated. So what ? Andrew was very well reared and it showed.
I am sixty nine years old and I could have wrestled Andrew to the ground or have had a darn good try. So why all the shooting ? The police officer in this case is either a class A coward or a man who should not be given a gun.
This was a harmless young man and his life should not haved ended in this manner. People in Ireland are astounded at this abuse of power by one of your law officers and we will not accept any cover up of the truth. Andrew was unarmed I understand (As I would expect)
Tony:
I knew Andrew very well and he was a lovely gentle lad with the biggest puppy dog eyes you ever saw.
When his mum and stepdad got married me and my mum attended the wedding and babysat for 2 weeks whilst his mum and dad honeymooned. I took him and his sister Kate back and forth to school every day and even took Andrew to a kind of open day when he was changing schools. Everyone thought I was his dad.
I can still see him coming down the lane with his little friend and my heart aches.
It also aches when I read about how he came from a troubled background. This family could not be more loving and close and Andrew had a loving upbringing and was a happy child. Don’t believe everything you read in the press. Take it from someone who has known the family for 20 years or so.
God bless you Doro and all the family our thoughts and prayers are with you
Tyna:
I really liked working with him while he was here. I was saddened to come back from a trip to find out he was gone. I always waved to him around town when I saw him after we were not working together anymore. He reminded me of one of my favorite characters from a book.
God be with you my Prince Carrick. I will miss you.
Kevin Lierman:
We love you A.J.
We, the young people of Silverton will defend, your honor, your character, and your dignity until the end. We will not sit down, we will not shut up. We will not let this be brushed over. We will stand in solidarity with you and your family until the truth is known. You are an innocent beautiful person. We know you and love you and will see that your reputation is not soiled by evil and deception.
Jane Stone:
to Kevin Lierman and every young adult in Silverton who loved Andrew. Your dedication to your beloved friend Andrew has been mind bending. Am so sorry I forgot to mention this in my recent post. You ARE THE ONES who got this going already, and I wish the people in Ireland could all know the work on his “street memorial”, the picketing of police station, the vigils you’ve held night after night by the spot where andrew was killed.
Of course you ARE THE ONES WHO WILL LEAD US ON. How did i miss this? Every single one of these young Silverton adults I’ve had contact with since Andrew died must be just like him Every one of these kids walks with integrity, compassion and soul. I am so very very proud of them. Ireland, please send these kids your love, ok? Yhey have been working so hard, day and night since Andrew was killed.
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Video Reports
Local people talk about Andrew
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Elsewhere:
Stumble it!
July 3rd, 2008
Poor woman. She must be in hell, right now.
July 3rd, 2008
And you know the full facts Bok ? Strange that, given the fact that his family say that they do not know what happened!
July 3rd, 2008
What a sad case. I heard Andrews Mother on the radio today and she cried a mothers heartbreak.
Having a young brother dying so far away from home and being helpless is adding to all the heartache. We had a young family member who drowned while on holidays abroad 10 years ago and it took a long time to get answers to the questions that would be readily available had he died in our own country.
The Dept of Foreign affairs will only give consular help and will not repatriate the irish citizen home, even though they have been known to repatriate citizens of other countries back to their own home.
Andrews family need all the help they can get now. Our thoughts are with them
July 3rd, 2008
Sam: it’s tragic.
Pat: You’ll find that I’m not as patient with your bullshit as they are over at LK Blogger. I advise you not to start your trolling habits here because I won’t put up with it.
Mary: it is a sad case. A very sad case.
July 3rd, 2008
The Oregonian is the local paper. Here’s how they are reporting on it: http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingnews/2008/07/silverton_police_investigating.html
http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingnews/2008/07/police_shooting_brings_out_pro.html
It does sound very suspicious, if it were cut and dried, then why the need for silence? The family should be putting pressure on the local police to repatriate his body.
July 3rd, 2008
This is tragic, but i would err on the side of lets wait til we find out more?
Regardless, its still very sad.
July 3rd, 2008
It is such a horrible heartbreaking situation.
July 3rd, 2008
Terrible situation but I’d take a little while to gather the full facts before laying the blame entirely at the door of the police, given that his sister has said publicly that he had been suffering from bouts of paranoia and delusion in recent months, it’s not inconceivable to me that he may have placed himself in harms way, or perhaps not given the offending officer much of a choice. I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out that he was unarmed and posed no threat, but given the reported mental health problems I’d be inclined to wait for the facts.
My thoughts are with his Mother at this time.
July 3rd, 2008
Bock, I too heard the woman on the radio this morning and my heart went out to her.
But, Lets look at the facts here, and the fact is that none of us here yet know the facts of this case. You dont, I dont & the family dont yet know.
So, if you have the full facts on this case then lets be having them? otherwise lets wait & see.
July 4th, 2008
Bock…
“Pat: You’ll find that I’m not as patient with your bullshit as they are over at LK Blogger. I advise you not to start your trolling habits here because I won’t put up with it.”
So you are still smarting over the Lisbon treaty defeat so :-)
July 4th, 2008
shite……wish I’d read this before posting my current offering….
July 4th, 2008
There is a lot more to this story Bock, the sister is being quote on national news as saying he was possibly skitzo homeless, he had broken into there home after she locked him out after they brought him to america to escape his neglected childhood and troubled past it was a fresh start of sorts.He had been going downhill rapidly for the past six months living on the streets and unemployed he had numerous dealings with the police.The child should have been sent home he had no buisness being put in harms way like that what the hell did she think would happen him.No visa no insurance no job no home he was lined up for danger and it sounds like the poor soul had a miserable childhood. This is the second mentally ill young man to come to harm in america for god sake if they cant handle life in ireland in a familar setting dont send them abroad . I feel sorry for all involved
including the cop who may have been put in this position unfairly. I hope this young man is finally at peace.
July 4th, 2008
I know this guy. He used to live on my road before he moved and was friends with my friend’s brother. This disgusts me.
[Mod edit. This post has been translated from TXT into English, in line with this site’s policy. The death threats have also been deleted.]
July 4th, 2008
For information:
I don’t publish comments in txt spk. Depending on my level of sobriety or the mood I’m in, I’ll either translate them into English, or bin them.
July 4th, 2008
Pat: No. I’m just letting you know that I operate a different policy here. You’re welcome to comment as long as the comments are constructive. I don’t like sniping, I don’t like trolling and people have been blacklisted for both in the past. As long as I pay the bills, there’s no freedom of speech on this site. What gets published here is whatever I decide goes up, and nothing more.
July 4th, 2008
From the Irish Times Latest.
It seems he may have been shot 7 times.
July 4th, 2008
Citizens in Silverton are also concerned:
http://tinyurl.com/5sr33w
There’ll be a drip-drip feed of information (from the police) as per usual procedure. Though how they’re going to explain seven bullets fired into the body of Andrew Hanlon ……! I’m sure police forces around the United States will also be watching this with great interest.
July 4th, 2008
Bock - I kinda have to agree with Pat on this one. Dont go condemning the Police until we have all the facts. Is that not the gist of your point about the unfair treatment of the McCanns. No Jumping to conclusions.
It’s an awful situation for the family to have to deal with. I personally have little or no faith in the Cops ability or honesty but I’m willing to wait for the official line before I start condeming them.
July 4th, 2008
Dessiegee: Have another look at the post and you’ll see that my major complaint is about the way the family are being treated now, and the silence surrounding the case.
July 4th, 2008
Bock- THe thing is that the Police are dammed if they do and dammed if they dont.
Police forces have been critisized in the past for releasing information which is incorrect ( For example the shooting on the London tube, which was factually incorrect). On the other hand police are being critisized here for being slow to release information.
Realistically they cannot be expected to release detailed information to anybody, including the family at this stage before a full investigation is completed.
Anything they say at this point could probably be quoted back to them in a court case. What more can they be expected to say at this time other than state the bare facts?
What information do you think that they should be revealing at this point in time?
July 4th, 2008
The investigation is still being conducted, and not by Silverton Police either, but by the Marion County Sheriff. Details will be released after the investigation is concluded. Certain evidence will also not be made public until after a grand jury is convened, and if the officer is found to be criminally negligent, evidence will be kept secret until after his trial. So before jumping all over the system, give it a chance to work. Also know that the Police officer was there because someone reported a burglary in progress and Hanlon was the burglar. He was mentally unstable so who knows how he responded when confronted by the officer. Incidently, he was in the United States illegally. So wait for all the facts to come out before you jump on a band wagon. It is always tragic when a young life is lost: sympathies to the family.
July 4th, 2008
I’ve heard very few “bare facts” Pat………I think that’s one of the points the article is making. If the cop felt justified enough to kill him, the reason should be definite and released in a statement. The silence indicates that they’re not positive that he was justified to shoot……..and therefore, shouldn’t have shot. I assume it’s pretty easy for someone with training to shoot a person without killing them.
July 4th, 2008
Pat: The police always confirm if a gun was found at the scene. Releasing that information would be a good start.
Ke’li: it has not been established that he was either a burglar or in any way mentally ill.
However, to follow your point, is it normal practice in the US to shoot
a) unarmed intruders
b) mentally ill people or
c) illegal immigrants?
That would be worrying.
Jnyfox: He was shot seven times, apparently. If it turns out he was unarmed, that seems somewhat excessive.
July 4th, 2008
Bock. That would be a good start but only part of the story…how fast were things happening, were his hands concealed, how dark was it, was he issuing threats? Did the officers genuinely feel that there lives were in danger? There are looks of potential factors to look into here.
I would not read too much into the seven shots just yet. While it does does initially appear excessive , this is will depend on such factors as how much time elapsed between the shots, weapons involved, number of officers who fired etc.I’d also be interested to know at what distance the shots were fired as this would give an indication of the reaction time available to the officers.
July 4th, 2008
Not seven shots, Pat. Seven hits. Seven bullet-holes.
We don’t know how many shots were fired.
July 4th, 2008
Bock, one lethal shot is excessive if he was unarmed. I was trying to say that they can easily incapacitate a person without killing them…….maybe he tried that six times first though. I am highly sceptical that it was justified but I’ll just have to wait and see.
July 4th, 2008
you’re right Bock - All coppers are bastards - what was I thinking defending them….
July 4th, 2008
Hello,
I am sickened by Mr. Hanlon’s murder.
This type of thing happens at least once a year here in this area, always to some marginalized person.
Many condolences to Andrew’s family.
I hope it’s OK that I’m quoting your blog on mine.
Shusli
deathandconscience.blogspot.com
July 4th, 2008
This was a twenty year old living homeless in America with no resources. Thats a crime.
July 4th, 2008
Shusli: Feel free to quote. And thanks for your interest.
July 5th, 2008
Browsed a copy of the Daily Flail yesterday, had a big article saying how he was ‘troubled’ and that his family are spread all over (ie it’s a ‘broken’ family) and nobody (ie his parents) were looking out for him - father in Texas, mother moving to Spain.
They were targeting the family. As if it’s only to be expected that the police will shoot someone dead if they’re acting disturbed and their parents are separated.
July 5th, 2008
I do not wish to prejudge this case as it is still in the early stages.But look at all the other cases for instance the absolute riddling of an unarmed guy on his stag night outside a nightclub in America when police officers even changed their 17 shot magazines so as to continue shooting.Or the savage slaying of the young Brazilian guy on the London Tube.Or the many incidents involving our own dear An Garbage Siochana. Basically I think a lot of this caused by the fact that any incompetent power hungry thicko can become a policeman.If they are going to arm those people and give them the power of life and death over others then they need to give them strict and stringent pyschological and IQ tests to ensure that they are no threat to innocent citizens and at the first hint of incompetence they should be thrown out.As it is now they seem more interested in protecting them.The stakes are too high for this attitude.At least so far in this case I note that the policeman involved has been named.Unlike the cases here and in Britain where they have remained anonymous and given evidence or more accurately fairytales from behind screens
July 5th, 2008
The chicago police department require all of the incoming cadets to be college educated a four year degree and all of them undergo a phy evaluation .It began about seven years ago so a lot of the macho dumb ass cops are in the retirement ranks, thank god.
July 5th, 2008
my previous post should have said Chicago New York and Boston, although I know right after september eleven New york took young men and women that were college students but not graduates! and fast tracked them through the accademy. The concern was terrorism obviously but also that all the qualified candidates would be taken by the fire department.The cops in the boonies are pretty much life cops would be in say mayo or carlow in comparision to cops in dublin limerick or cork.Although I have to say the cops in ireland have or at least had a height requirment? here they dont, and you have small little man being given big guns and they start out like they have to prove something.
July 6th, 2008
Folks, I am deeply saddened with some of the comments here. I knew AJ when we were children and am still good friends with his family and step-father. This is a tragedy. From what the family have found out where he was shot it is not he shot him to stop him but indeed to kill him. How can the police officer who by federal law must pass a shooting competency test be such a bad shot that he shot him in the arm abdomen thigh and back of his sholder and hit a parked car? What if someone was in the car?
Is the way a friend of mine died justice? Is this the American way and the fact that the police officer is now on paid leave is an insult to the family of the man (a good man) he has just ruined?
You can all say what you like about did he deserve it is the cop just doing his job?
But it still doesn’t bring him back.
RIP AJ you’re in our thoughts and prayers.
July 6th, 2008
Andrew was gentle and kind, even timid at times.
He froze at any type of confrontation or violence.
He had an ethereal imagination and loved to tell made up stories and he adored art.
He expressed himself greatly through drawing and painting.
Andrew James Hanlon.
A boy with a heart too big for this world,
an eagerness to make anyone smile or laugh
and eyes, big wondrous eyes…
eyes that allowed you to see love, curiosity, compassion, sensitivity
even sadness, confusion and his inner struggle to make sense of it all.
But most of all - you could see hope.
Hope for a better tomorrow
and a brighter future.
A future that will no longer be.
Our hearts are shattered,
our souls are lost and
our spirits are broken.
We’d like to thank all those who have Andrew and our family in your thoughts and prayers.
God Bless,
Andrew’s aunt in California
July 6th, 2008
Its a long time since we last met Dorothea and the Hanlons. AJ was only a toddler then. Lovely family and great kids: Melanie Jane, Eamonn Thomas and Mary Kate (as we knew them) Danielle not born back then. We knew the kids dad, Eamonn, thru family.
No one knows the full facts here but lets be straight about what we do know : AJ was ‘riddled with bullets’ by this ‘part-time’ police officer. No other shots have been fired either by AJ or other officers. Now think about that… Either the cop is trigger-happy or a coward!. An unarmed man! Why didn’t he simply ‘wing him’ if he wanted to apprehend him.
Thousands of Irish parents including us, worry to death when we see off our kids at the Airport on their way to the States because life and attitudes have changed so much over there. Never mind the number of freaks at every corner, now the various police forces in the US seem to have been given or have assumed new powers/rules of engagement since 9/11. Lots of reports and anecdotal evidence from people who have lived and worked there tells us that the USA is fast becoming a police state.
Comments about AJ’s mental state, I believe, were off the cuff with no real diagnosis by a professional. Most teens, early 20’s etc, have ‘mental issues’. Like us all in the past we have to grow up, get thru our anger, self doubt, paranoia etc..
Anyway, the bottom line: He was just a kid and he has been killed unnecessarily. I hope that cop can live with his conscience. AJ may have needed help but I cant believe, in any circumsances, that he needed to be shot to death.
RIP AJ and al our love to Dorothea, kids, Eamonn and extended family from Ger, Gina, Jamie, Ritchie and Keith Egan. Will be in touch…..
July 6th, 2008
Poor Guy must have been in a distressed state. Talk about shoot first ask questions later. Thankfully we are not so trigger happy here!!!!
July 7th, 2008
Hello,
This news is horrible. I have been attacked as a person of irish descent several time in ashland oregon recently. A latina named [REMOVED] rammed my car and tried to kill me. Her people got her out of trouble. I saw another latina ram a car and she told me I was dead if I said anything. She was a college student at SOU by the way. A latino named [REMOVED] almost killed my dog by running her over, he got out of trouble of course. The criminals seem to control the cops. They are a psychotic and dangerous people. I can assure you that this mexican cop committed a cold blooded murder.
July 7th, 2008
You’re not helping AJ by generalising about all Mexicans like this.
July 7th, 2008
I knew Andrew Hanlon very well as I was his landlord for a couple of years. I remember the first time I met Andrew how much I taken by his gentleness and lovely soft accent. He was the essence of respectability and courtesy in all his dealings with me. He was a big soft Kid with no aggression in him.
He came from a good family, albeit his parents were seperated. So what ?. Andrew was very well reared and it showed.
I am sixty nine years old and I could have wrestled Andrew to the ground or have had a darn good try. So why all the shooting ?. The police officer in this case is either a class A coward or a man who should not be given a gun.
This was a harmless young man and his life should not haved ended in this manner. People in Ireland are astounded at this abuse of power by one of your law officers and we will not accept any cover up of the truth. Andrew was unarmed I understand (As I would expect)
July 7th, 2008
Correction to two typo errors. I intended to say “Essence of respectability” and that he had “No Aggression” in him.
July 7th, 2008
‘I made a mistake but I don’t think I deserved to get all shot up’
PORTLAND, Oregon. - He is riddled with bullets, scars and broken bones and now he’s speaking out about what happened when police opened fire on him.
http://tinyurl.com/6259cw
July 7th, 2008
i am a old friend of aj’s and i know he wud never do a thing to anybody!that cop is a pussy,if he needed to use a gud to take aj down he shudnt be a cop!i hung around and skated with aj and i know he wudnt ave been carrying a gun or knife or any such weapon!
everyone dat knew him over here is very shocked and sad to hear this news!
he was a sound lad!will be missed!
July 7th, 2008
sorry i ment to say gun not gud in dat last post!
July 7th, 2008
I’d say you also meant to say “that”, not “dat”
July 8th, 2008
The brother in laws recent addition to the story via the media is that Andrew would bang on their door at night looking for somewhere to sleep and maybe thats what he was doing that nite banging on doors looking for somewhere to sleep. I dont think this brother in law will win any family spokeperson awards.
July 9th, 2008
I knew Andrew very well and he was a lovely gentle lad with the biggest puppy dog eyes you ever saw,When his mum and stepdad got married me and my mum attended the wedding and babysat for 2 weeks whilst his mum and dad honeymooned.I took him and his sister Kate back and forth to school everyday and even took Andrew to a kind of open day when he was changing schools,Everyone thought I was his dad,I can still see him coming down the lane with his little friend and my heart aches.It also aches when I read about how he came from a troubled background,this family could not be more loving and close and Andrew had a loving upbringing and was a happy child,dont believe everything you read in the press,take it from someone who has known the family for 20 years or so,God bless you Doro and all the family our thoughts and prayers are with you
July 11th, 2008
I am a citizen of Silverton, Oregon. My wife and 2 kids have made a home here and we love it. In driving around the countryside, ironically, I am often reminded of the rolling, lush hills of Ireland.
I came to Ireland very soon after the terrorist attacks in New York, DC, and Penn. I was struck by how compassionate and sympathetic the Irish people were when they realized I was an American. Of course, this was before our President and his crew squandered the good will of the world and sullied our reputation.
Nonetheless, I find myself in the position of being able to show compassion and empathy to the people who are suffering in light of this tragedy.
As a U.S. citizen, and a resident of Silverton, Oregon, my family and I wish to express our shock and most sincere heartfelt regret that this horrible thing happened at all. I hope that the Marion County District Attorney and Silverton Police are held accountable as they should be. I also want it to be known that Silverton residents as a whole are in a state of shock and wish for swift resolution and healing. Our thoughts and good wishes are with anyone touched by this tragedy.
July 11th, 2008
Bock, I think it is worthy of mentioning that the Silverton Police Dept is not necessarily closing the family out. The investigation is being led by a neighboring police force in Woodburn, Oregon and managed by the Marion County District Attorney’s office. By order of the D.A., Silverton Police are not allowed to comment. In fact, recently, a comment was made by the Silverton Police that they support Rodriguez and believe he will be cleared by a Grand Jury. The D.A. publicly rebuked the Silverton Police for making the comment - called it premature and irresponsible.
This leads me to believe the shooting was NOT justified and that this will become public very soon (today or Monday the DA is to make an announcement). That said, I agree that the justice system is guilty of shutting out the victims family in the case of police shootings. I would imagine this tendency is compounded when the parents are not local U.S. citizens.
July 11th, 2008
Has anybody heard when Andrew is being brought home to Ireland for burial? I heard a report on the Gerry Ryan show this week that the Silverton P.D said they were justified in shooting Andrew. I do not think so Silverton P.D. Thank goodness that there are enough of us around who can vouch for Andrew’s good character. He was one of the grandest lads you could ever ask to meet. And all of us know that Andrew was not aggressive so this matter should have been handled differently
July 12th, 2008
AJ
I really liked working with him while he was here. I was saddened to come back from a trip to find out he was gone. I always waved to him around town when I saw him after we were not working together anymore. He reminded me of one of my favorite characters from a book.
God be with you my Prince Carrick. I will miss you
July 14th, 2008
So the scumbag that took AJ’s life is behind bars tonight!! He has been arrested and charged with the sexual abuse of a young girl!
A power hungry, trigger-happy coward - a thug. How many more victims are there of Gonzalez. You don’t become a Power abuser overnight. Sex crimes as we are told are more about power and control over the vulnerable and weak than sexual gratification. What a ‘rush’ then this bastard must have got when he pumped 7 bullets into an unarmed, vulnerable small, young man. The ultimate power trip for this animal.
RIP AJ. Your killer is behind bars tonight. Maybe you didn’t die in vain after all.
Heres a link to the news story.
http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingnews/2008/07/cop_involved_in_silverton_shoo.html
July 14th, 2008
The US police officer charged with shooting 20-year-old Andrew Hanlon from Dundrum in Dublin has been arrested in Oregon on child sex abuse charges. Tony Gonzalez is being held without bail on multiple counts relating to the sexual abuse of a minor. The girl and her mother reported the abuse on Saturday, and Mr Gonzalez was subsequently arrested. The 35-year-old police officer was already on administrative leave pending the investigation into the fatal shooting of Andrew Hanlon in Silverton, Oregon, on 30 June.
http://tinyurl.com/5c9ogg
July 15th, 2008
It seems the Police Chief has an online message facility where he can be contacted:
http://tinyurl.com/62aevj
The link is in the left-hand column entitled:
Tell It To The Chief.
July 16th, 2008
[…] June. His mother, living in Dublin, can’t get information about the shooting. This is causing some outrage in Ireland, especially after the officer was charged with child sex abuse as well. As far as I […]
July 17th, 2008
dear egan family~ your post of brief bio on officer gonzales was tiny glimpse of his “outerwear…” i appreciated reading it!
i feel bad for my hispanic friends who already have it rough acclimating to this area, that they now have to absorb this news of an hispanic police officer,
though it would not have mattered if this type of individual would have shown up as a european american, tongan, african american,
chinese…… the nationality of this “person” isn’t even relavant, nor is his bio, because he is nothing, if not a sewer rat “disguised” as a human being… with love, jstone
July 17th, 2008
One thing that’s relevant is his expertise in unarmed combat.
This man is a cage fighter and martial arts instructor who could take on any ten of us and win easily.
I’d like to know how this 230-pound ex-Marine could feel threatened by an unarmed 120-pound youth in bare feet.
I’d like to know how a formidable fighting man like this could be so scared of a frail kid that he felt the need to shoot the boy seven times.
What do you think? Are these unreasonable concerns?
July 17th, 2008
My thoughts exactly Bock. One punch/lunge on a slight, unarmed man by a cage-fighting, powerfully built, ex-marine would have been enough.
Regarding his bio, Jane. It was just background info. Lots of contributors here and elsewhere were curious as to who he was. Some made stupid racist comments about him possibly being an immigrant latino who might make a run for the border. He is of course a born and bred American citizen. However his mxed ethnicity could be important here as the article further stated that he was severely bullied and had a really hard time growing up as a kid/teen because of this.
I grew up with a kid who was despised and shunned by all of us because he was, among other things, a nasty degenerate who slyly stole from other kids pockets in school etc., etc. He was evil and weak. We all said that one day he will do real harm in life. I met this guy 10 years after leaving school and he was now a Cop. And a nasty one at that too. He used his new found Power to its limit. If he had been given a gun……………
In the last few years this guy was kicked off the force and jailed for a crime.
Who knows what, where and when in Gonzalez’ own troubled, complicated background brought him to wanting so desperately to be a cop - The first time in his life he gets respect and probably more importantly for him, power.
His background info merely confirmed to me what I believed from the outset: (as stated in my original posts) - A power-hungry, trigger-happy thug.
Jane, one question: Have you made a statement to the Police/Investigators regarding your knowledge and insight into the crime?
rgds. gegan
July 18th, 2008
Hi All,
I would like to say that i have been reading through your posts with interest and I would like to let you know that AJ’s family have been reading your posts too.
I would like to thank many of you who have openly expressed support and condolences to the family during this extremely difficult and painful time.
There has been alot of press coverage both here in Ireland and the USA that has been full of speculation and unsubstanciated drivvle about family, AJ himself and private lives of the Hanlon/Carroll family. This is causing alot of pain and difficulty to the family and has no place or relevance in this case. This is something that is being used to sensationalise the story and sell news papers.
I know this family, I know Dorothea & Justin, I know Melanie, Eamonn Thomas, Andrew James, Mary Kate and Danielle, I also know Andrew Biological Father Eamonn Hanlon and the extended families on all sides. I know that truth and the background. These kids, most young adults now, are loved and cherished by their family and never would you say that this was a neglected home nor was anyone of the kids abandoned as reported by the gutter press in both countries. I know that anyone that knows this family or has had the opportunity to spend time with this family will know this to be true.
Also I would like to inform all of you of the arrangements for AJ’s funeral
The Funeral will be held on Monday the 21st of July at 10am in Saggart church, Co Dublin.
Also as per the wishes of the family I would ask that those wishing to attend Not bring Floral tributes as there will be a facility for contributions towards AJ’s repatriation fund.
This tragic event has put the entire family both immediate and extended at large financial strain as no one expects to lose a son, a brother, a nephew or a friend like this.
Again thank you for your support and a special thank you to Bock for making it possible for comments and views to be airred openly on the unnecessary slaying of this young bright Irish Son.
July 18th, 2008
And so say we all.
Will see you at Saggart Church, 21st, 10am.
x gegan
July 19th, 2008
DO YOU know of any burglar who knocks on the door first!!!
No burglary took place, Andrew was unarmed.
But Andrew was slaughtered on the streets of Silverton. He was riddled with 7 bullets but there were NOT only seven fired.
These are the FACTS.
Sooner or later the truth will come out, but this will not bring Andrew back to his family and friends.
The killer must be held accountable, justice must be done. Voices of outrage must be heard.
If you feel as I do make your opinions known let your voice be heard, tell whoever you think may make a difference in having justice done. You the people can make a difference.
We must never forget Andrew ( AJ ) Hanlon.
Remember……the next person to be gunned down could be your son, your brother or sister, your friend.
Thank you Bock.
July 21st, 2008
ITS OFFICIAL………
In a certain Sunday newspaper it has been officially announced by the Hanlon/Carroll Family Lawyers that Andrew ‘AJ’ Hanlon was ‘UNARMED’ when he was shot dead on the sreets of Silverton, Oregon.
Of course we all knew and believed this before the announcement, but can you imagine the relief the family must now be feeling, to at last have their lads name cleared of that.
My thoughts and prayers are with Andrew and his family today as he is laid to rest.
Sleep softly AJ your at peace now.
July 21st, 2008
with 2nd autopsy they had no choice~ independant pathology report, from ireland will be hard to refute.
a.j.~ today we are “imagining” the one thousand doves we are sending to “saggart”
church, at 10:00a.m., and that each dove will be carrying your spirit higher and higher, until all there is left, is love…
July 21st, 2008
A lot of people got a chance to say a final goodbye to Andrew (AJ) today. All his immediate and extended family were there along with friends and the many people he met over the years. I’m so glad we got the opportunity to be there even though to our hearts were breaking - his family’s hearts were shattered.
To lose your child must be simply the worst experience a mom and dad can experience, to lose AJ in this way is absolutely unbearable for Dorothea and Justin.
AJ’s little sister Danielle sung a stunning tribute to her big brother along with heart-breaking words spoken by his sister Mary Kate. His step-dad Justin and some family friends also spoke movingly of AJ. The final words of goodbye were left to a family friend singing Eric Clapton’s ‘Tears in Heaven’ as AJ made his final journey from this earth.
AJ was lucky though.. lucky to have had such loving parents in Dorothea and Justin and lucky to have had the friendship and love of his big brother Eamon and sisters Melanie, Mary-Kate and Danielle. That cant be taken from him. We wish we had known him more.
It was said today that AJ had touched the lives of many, that he left good feelings everywhere he went, well AJ you have touched the lives of thousands more all over the world now. I bet they wished they had known you too.
x from Ger, Gina, Jamie, Titch, Keith, Kieran, Mark and Justin, my mom Marie and sisters Carole and Janet
July 21st, 2008
Now that AJ has been laid to rest, the battle for justice begins now. Dorothea needs to get back out to Silverton to fight the machine. There are thousands of people out there who are incensed over this brutal murder. Many access this blog. Please help if you can.
Raise a few bob and transfer into bank account that has been set up. The family do not have the means to do this alone. The costs of AJ’s death to the family are astronomical and are crippling but they cant let it rest here, they must fight for justice. AJ was a young Irish boy, one of us - he could have been one of our own sons, brothers, nephews experiencing life in the USA. Any one of us could be going through what the Hanlon Carroll family are experiencing right now. It must be overpowering for them.
The Silverton/Oregon state authorities will find it very hard to brush this under the carpet if AJ’s mother is in their face every day. Our mothers are the ones who fight for us every day from the cradle to the grave - We would all want the same for our own. Lets play a part even if its only a small one by helping Dorothea to fight this last battle for AJ.
Use the bank account details above, no matter how small the amount. Please don’t leave it to the other person reading this to do it. You do it too. Thanks for reading this rant and apologies if I’m pushing too hard.
July 22nd, 2008
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July 23rd, 2008
The killer-cop Gonzalez was charged with two new counts of child sexual abuse as he faced the courts again yesterday. He was refused bail again.
It was said in court that when the girl told her mother of the alleged abuse, Gonzalez “flew into such a rage” she told prosecutors. On the morning of July 12, the mother described Gonzalez as very quiet, browsing the Internet and mentioning that he needed to buy a new gun. Gonzalez had “a look she hadn’t seen before,”
When Gonzalez left to go to buy the Gun, the girl and her mother went to the Keizer Police to report the abuse.
“They were terrified he was going to kill himself,” Kemmy said. -
I’d say that it was more likely that he would kill them first. He had already tasted blood and if he was going to kill himself then he would have nothing to lose by exercising his power one last time.
Following is a report on what the assistant DA Kemmy had to say: (some powerful comments)
During Tuesday’s hearing, Kemmy said Gonzalez should not be allowed to post bail because he
poses a danger to the girl and was considered untrustworthy because he violated his position in law enforcement
“He is a danger to her,” Kemmy said. “Do not give him a chance to get out and reoffend.”
Kemmy said that in Gonzalez’ probable-cause statement, the girl estimated that she was abused 60 times. The abuse began about four years ago when the girl was about 12. Gonzalez knew the girl before the alleged abuse started.
“We gave him a gun and badge and trusted him to enforce the laws and protect our citizens,” Kemmy said. “Instead, he repeatedly broke the law, acted as if he was above it, and instead of protecting citizens, he victimized the child.”
Yes he did….and murdered an innocent young boy too.
July 24th, 2008
we pray: one day kemmy WILL state “instead of protecting citizens, he victimized THEM.”
(instead of “child” whom he references, now.)
both gonzolas’ wife and child (and rest of their
kids) are probably suffering less, since he got a new address.
July 25th, 2008
Well guys the Hanlon-Carroll family got the justice they expected they were going to get….and that was none.
There are a lot of things here that don’t add up and a lot of untruthes that will come out some time soon.
We will keep fighting for justice AJ we promise that.
May God have mercy on the souls involved in this whitewash.
July 25th, 2008
This outrageous verdict, although expected, is nonetheless shocking
One fact has not changed.
GONZALEZ SHOT DEAD AN UNARMED BOY
Gonzalez was a martial arts expert trained in unarmed combat, he taught unarmed combat, he was a ‘Cage fighter’, he is an ex marine, a trained police officer. If AJ was running at him, unarmed, then Gonzalez was perfectly positioned to tackle him.
If we are to believe, and I dont accept the account of this one eyewitness that Andrew was running at Gonzalez…into bullets, then it shows Gonzalez had even more time to subdue/tackle AJ or drop him with a punch.
AJ was half this thug’s weight, shorter and with NO WEAPONS. Gonzalez was fully loaded and could have used his tazer, baton or fists. He was trained to use all of them.
But of course if he did that that then he wouldn’t have had the chance to use his ‘Power Tool’ which had been gathering dust in its holster ever since he became a cop.
A power-hungry, trigger-happy coward
July 25th, 2008
Well now, once again we see the wonderful American judicial system at work. Unlike others who have contributed to this site, I did expect a different result. How any fair minded decent honest citizen could agree with this verdict beggers belief. This is also the first time I heard that A.J was running at, or attacking, this lowdown scumbag of a police officer. I use this language to describe him now that we know so much more about his other activities. This man is a martial arts expert and a cage boxer. Cage boxing is one of the most awful forms of human behaviour. And this guy had to shoot a skinny twenty year old kid to defend himself ?. I do’nt think so. I think this animal was either having a bad day or was a totally out of control thug. I would also like to address a comment to the Silverton Chief of Police while I am at it. You Sir have a case to answear to as far as I am concerned. You were this animals boss. You must have seen something in his behaviour to cause concern during his time in your precinct. I also suspect that some or all of your other fifteen police officers knew this guy was a “Loose Cannon”. to do what he did on the night of June 30th. he must have been involved in other dodgey situations which showed cause for alarm. Shame on you the jury for this monumental cover up. It is no wonder that Americas credibility is in “Tatters” worldwide. You are a disgrace. Hopefully The Animal will get his just deserts on the sex charges.
July 25th, 2008
I hear that the Hanlon family are holding a press conference in the beautiful city of Portland which I had the pleasure to visit a few years ago. I would ask them to seek out a good lawyer with a view to taking this case further. This jury decision should not be an end to the matter. I am sure that there are many people here in Ireland, and possibly in Silverton, who would contribute towards a legal challenge to this travesty of justice which occured yesterday.
July 25th, 2008
Do you really see this as a cover-up? Did you all read the press release from the Marion County DA?
What say you about the mother and 2 kids who had to barricade their front door to keep AJ from coming in the house, uninvited? He referred to himself as the angel of death and left blood and skin fragments on the door he was pounding it so hard.
Certainly, there are miscarriages of justice in America - as there are all over the world. This case is not unique to Oregon or the U.S. It is tragic for ALL involved. Silverton as a community has been lambasted. The police force has been dragged through the mud. A seemingly good, but troubled, young man lost his life. A family lost a son. What’s the point of all the anti-American sentiment? Does anyone on this blog truly think that the authorities and people of Oregon and the U.S. just don’t care?
July 25th, 2008
Isn’t it strange? Whenever anybody criticises something that happens in America, they’re labelled anti-American.
Why is this?
Regarding the statement from the DA, we have no proof that these things happened apart from a statement by people intimately involved in the events that led to Andrew’s death.
It appears to be an attempt at blackening Andrew’s name ito deflect attention from the fact that he was summarily executed.
This is the same DA who decided not to bring before the grand jury any of the people directly involved in Andrew’s pursuit.
His integrity is now in serious doubt.
July 25th, 2008
Bock, come on.
I am simply addressing posts in this blog. I am an American citizen and have at least serviceable sensibility about where my country stands in the world. I would not begin to think that any criticism of how this case was handled makes people anti-american. I was referring to this quote from Brian:
“It is no wonder that Americas credibility is in “Tatters” worldwide. You are a disgrace.”
That’s productive, huh?
Anyway, you mention that the statement from the DA “appears to be an attempt at blackening Andrew’s name ito deflect attention from the fact that he was summarily executed.”
I think we could go back and forth on this topic until the end of time. The operative word in your comment is “appears”. Interpretation of this so subjective and laden with emotion that is seems impossible for anyone to be objective. Also, I think anyone who is ever involved in an incident like this, whether it be some who is directly involved, or someone who is witnessing it, is going to be “intimately” involved. What difference does that truly make?
Who can the DA and investigating officers and grand jury base their decision on other than those who were directly involved? It’s worthy of noting that none of the witnesses who gave statements knew of or had relationships with either the police officer or the shooting victim. What did these intimately involved people have to gain or lose by not telling the truth?
July 25th, 2008
Gary –
The grand jury did not get to interview either the policeman or the other people who chased Andrew the night he was killed.
On your other point, you’ll often see criticism of American policy on this site, but I’m far from anti-American. I criticise the Irish government as well, but that doesn’t make me anti-Irish.
I think the commenter is trying to highlight the hypocrisy of your government lecturing the rest of the world about freedom while at the same time allowing this sort of thing to happen at home.
July 25th, 2008
But see, that’s just my point. What was “allowed” to happen? I think you’ll find that many people feel the system worked well.
Let me be clear. I don’t mean that shooting AJ was a good thing. On the contrary, it is horrible. By all accounts, he was a good kid who DID NOT deserve to die.
The part that worked well was the investigation. It was a long and painful process for the family of AJ, but it had to be that way. Under the letter of the law, here in the U.S., the officer involved did nothing wrong. Now, certainly, just because the law says that an officer is justified in shooting a suspect, this doesn’t mean it should happen. The policeman could have done a thousand things differently. Is it just impossible to fathom that any accountability rests with anyone other than the officer involved?
I did not know that the officer and others involved were not interviewed by the grand jury.
As a citizen of Oregon, it would definitely interest me if they were not allowed to, as you suggest. Legally, a grand jury cannot be barred from interviewing witnesses. So, perhaps the idea that the grand jury was blocked in some way needs to be looked into further. I’m curious as to how you know they were not allowed to or did not get to?
July 25th, 2008
Gary –
I’m no expert on your system, but as I understand it, the DA decides what witnesses are to be brought before the grand jury. Normally, he’d try to bring the strongest possible case to persuade the jury that a trial was warranted.
In this case, for reasons best known to himself, he chose not to call the policeman or the two men who chased Andrew. I’ll find some references to that in a while if you wish.
Gonzalez is a 230-pound cage fighter, a martial arts expert and a former Marine. In addition to his firearm, he had a nightstick and possibly a taser.
Andrew was a 130-pound, barefoot, unarmed youth.
Gonzalez claims that he shot AJ as he was retreating from him. The cage fighter was so scared of this frail kid that he put five bullets in him, including one between the shoulder blades.
While he was retreating in fear from Andrew, he managed to shoot him in the back. That was some achievement, wouldn’t you say?
July 25th, 2008
True, the DA decides which witnesses to call. But, the Grand Jury can request any more info they feel they want/need.
I didn’t see in the press release that AJ was shot in the back - or according to the coroner.
Once the officer pulled his service weapon (before AJ started running after him), engaging in hand to hand combat was not an option for the policeman. He is trained not put himself in a position to compromise his weapon.
I see your points and respect your position. In discussing this with my wife earlier, I expressed the same concern that the officer could have used his billy club to subdue AJ.
One nice thing about the American justice system is that, even if Gonzales is not prosecuted, he can still be named in a civil suit (as can the Silverton Police Dept).
Anyway - I enjoy the discourse. Thanks for taking the time to share your opinions.
July 25th, 2008
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July 26th, 2008
to brian keenan-hall~ your comments were (and still are) so concise and helpful to us all!
thank you!
brian, keep in mind now too, in usa, grand jury is closed, and only hears, only sees only reads the “evidence” from the state:ie: investigation reports, state witnesses, etc. if grand jury is FED 100% FABRICATION (except for “fact” a death occured) how ARE they to sit proper judgement? they only go by what they are presented with, nothing more. they are not the true purpatrators of the unjust verdict here, mearly the messengers…
please may i ask you to address your comments to silverton police officer rick lewis direct to him, as i would strongly doubt he would take time to read your words here~ this is so IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW! go to http://www.cityofsilverton.com and find where to leave a post for him. he NEEDS to read what you have to say to him, powerful stuff, my friend~ andrew has to be smiling into your irish eyes, keep it up, keep it up! we are only
getting stronger, when we unite with andrew’s
soul in mind, and his family~who are awesome!
blessinbgs, jstone
July 26th, 2008
gary~ PLEASE~ “grand jury can request any more…etc.” YES THEY CAN and TRUE, D.A. can and will honor this request~HOWEVER:”WITNESS” OR “MATERIAL” OR WHATEVER REQUEST IS MADE~ is “state’s evidence” AND THIS IS THE CORE OF IT: D.A.
PRESENTS WHATEVER STATE HAS COLLECTED, THAT THE STATE DEEMS AS “EVIDENCE.” and THIS IS WHAT grand jury uses, for their determination…
***** have YOU read coroner’s report?
***** have you spoken w/witnesses to “the chase?” best do this, before commenting here.
++++++ you “ENJOY this discourse ?”
this isn’t a “discourse” this is a travisty of justice, and a beautiful young artist has been murdered… get real with your “discourse”
this could have been YOUR CHILD who was murdered here….. jstone
July 26th, 2008
gary i am responding to your comment: “do you really see this as a COVER-UP? did you read the investigative report which says… etc.”
let me say just this: i read that report, and i have NEVER seen a stronger more evil set of
LIES and FABRICATIONS than i have since i worked w/dr. king’s group (s.c.l.c.) in peach county georgia (1960, 1961) when i was privy to INVESTIGATIVE REPORTS of lynchings in that county, WHEN THE AUTHORITIES JUSTIFIED THESE LYNCHINGS, AND THEY NEVER WENT TO COURT, because the african american families of the deceased were too poor… you had best pull this wool from your eyes…jstone
July 26th, 2008
The post above at #82 for Silverton is to the Silverton in Ohio, I’m pretty sure.
July 26th, 2008
BOCK~ the reason the grand jury never got to interview “the rest of the people involved” is twofold~#1: some of the “rest of the people”
were written out of the “script” because to
include them, would mean they were ALSO involved~ one of the eye witnesses (who happened to be in the neighborhood,) was two places at once~ tricky shape shifting???
thank god for yet another eye witness~ANOTHER ONE WHO HAS NO AGENDA~ and as for all of these
punches and karate chopping moves~ what! we are all deaf in this neighborhood too??? AND WHEN DID ANDREW HAVE TIME FOR ALL OF THESE PUNCHES AND CHOPS, WHEN THE GUNFIRE NEVER STOPPED LONG ENOUGH FOR HIM TO GO TO THE DOOR, LET ALONE CHOP IT? A.J. NEVER GOT FURTHER THAN THE STREET HE WAS BEING CHASED DOWN, HE DIED IN THE STREET AT THE BOTTOM OF THE OAK STREET HILL, AFTER BEING CHASED DOWN THE HILL, GUNFIRE NEVER CEASED ALL THE WAY DOWN THE HILL~ ANDREW DIED FROM THE ABDOMINAL SHOTS~ DID ONE OR TWO COME FROM GONZOLAS, OR WAS IT NONE FROM GONZOLES EXCEPT AT THE VERY END? HIS INSURANCE SHOTS TO A.J.’S LIMBS? why did SO MANY HEAR GONZOLAS tell andrew at the VERY END AFTER he was mortally wounded, not to get up or he would shoot~AS ANDREW’S BODY MUSCLES CONTRACTED AT HIS DEATH~
then firing the “LIMB” shots, and also how did so many clearly hear andrew’s anguished screAms, but NONE of this other (pre-death) activity??? the glass breaking? the recycle bin??? what about the rear car windshield~ the white car windshield where one of the big bullets went through andrew and dented the door and deflected to the rear car windshield, this must have been written out too, oh my god~ and the other thing keeps
puzzling me: how did andrew get all this blood and skin on A HOUSE DOOR AT THE BOTTOM OF THE OAK STREET HILL WHICH HE NEVER EVEN GOT CLOSE TO~ you see, andrew DIED IN THE STREET AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL, HE WAS DEAD BEFORE HE WAS EVEN CLOSE TO A HOUSE, AFTER HE WAS CHASED DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE OAK STREET HILL BY 2 MEN WITH GUNS~ HE WAS NEVER IN ANY BUSHES AT THE BACK OF A HOUSE, HE GOT DOWN THE HILL VIA THE ROAD, NOT THE BUSH ROUTE…SHOOTING ROUNDS AND ROUNDS AND ROUNDS OF BULLETS AT HIS BACK ALL THE WAY DOWN OAK STREET HILL AND ANOTHER GUN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL WAITING TO INTERCEPT A.J.,
WITH YET MORE SHOTS~ 7 BULLETS FIRED???? LET US SEE HOW MANY NEIGHBORS GO WITH THAT ONE~ROUND AFTER ROUND AFTER ROUND OF SOLID GUNFIRE OVER AND OVER GUNFIRE WHY DOES A