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		<title>By: st.leger.norma</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2009/01/gaza-israel-firebombs-civilians/comment-page-2#comment-65741</link>
		<dc:creator>st.leger.norma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bock; agreed, but he who pays the piper....?
Does&#039;nt call for admiration, Condi not making a stand, hardly surprising.

Thesystemworks; Well thats all righty then.....from your perspective only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bock; agreed, but he who pays the piper&#8230;.?<br />
Does&#8217;nt call for admiration, Condi not making a stand, hardly surprising.</p>
<p>Thesystemworks; Well thats all righty then&#8230;..from your perspective only.</p>
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		<title>By: thesystemworks</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2009/01/gaza-israel-firebombs-civilians/comment-page-2#comment-65736</link>
		<dc:creator>thesystemworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look wht I found on Yahoo News:

ICRC: Israel&#039;s use of white phosphorus not illegal

By BRADLEY S. KLAPPER, Associated Press Writer Bradley S. Klapper, Associated Press Writer â€“ Tue Jan 13, 10:10 pm ET

GENEVA â€“ The international Red Cross said Tuesday that Israel has fired white phosphorus shells in its offensive in the Gaza Strip, but has no evidence to suggest the incendiary agent is being used improperly or illegally.

The comments came after a human rights organization accused the Jewish state of using white phosphorus, hich ignites when it strikes the skin and burns straight through or until it is cut off from oxygen. It can cause horrific injuries.

The International Committee of the Red Cross urged Israel to exercise &quot;extreme caution&quot; in using the incendiary agent, which is used to illuminate targets at night or create a smoke screen for day attacks, said Peter Herby, the head of the organization&#039;s mines-arms unit.

&quot;In some of the strikes in Gaza it&#039;s pretty clear that phosphorus was used,&quot; Herby told The Associated Press. &quot;But it&#039;s not very unusual to use phosphorus to create smoke or illuminate a target. We have no evidence to suggest it&#039;s being used in any other way.&quot;

In response, the Israeli military said Tuesday that it &quot;wishes to reiterate that it uses weapons in compliance with international law, while strictly observing that they be used in accordance with the type of combat and its characteristics.&quot;

Herby said that using phosphorus to illuminate a target or create smoke is legitimate under international law, and that there was no evidence the Jewish state was intentionally using phosphorus in a questionable way, such as burning down buildings or consciously putting civilians at risk

However, Herby said evidence is still limited because of the difficulties of gaining access to Gaza, where Palestinian health officials say more than 900 people have been killed and 4,250 wounded since Israel launched its offensive late last month. Israel says the operation aims to halt years of Palestinian rocket attacks over the border.

Human Rights Watch has accused Israel of firing phosphorous shells and warned of the possibilities of extreme fire and civilian injuries. The chemical is suspected in the cases of 10 burn victims who had skin peeling off their faces and bodies.

White phosphorus is not considered a chemical weapon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look wht I found on Yahoo News:</p>
<p>ICRC: Israel&#8217;s use of white phosphorus not illegal</p>
<p>By BRADLEY S. KLAPPER, Associated Press Writer Bradley S. Klapper, Associated Press Writer â€“ Tue Jan 13, 10:10 pm ET</p>
<p>GENEVA â€“ The international Red Cross said Tuesday that Israel has fired white phosphorus shells in its offensive in the Gaza Strip, but has no evidence to suggest the incendiary agent is being used improperly or illegally.</p>
<p>The comments came after a human rights organization accused the Jewish state of using white phosphorus, hich ignites when it strikes the skin and burns straight through or until it is cut off from oxygen. It can cause horrific injuries.</p>
<p>The International Committee of the Red Cross urged Israel to exercise &#8220;extreme caution&#8221; in using the incendiary agent, which is used to illuminate targets at night or create a smoke screen for day attacks, said Peter Herby, the head of the organization&#8217;s mines-arms unit.</p>
<p>&#8220;In some of the strikes in Gaza it&#8217;s pretty clear that phosphorus was used,&#8221; Herby told The Associated Press. &#8220;But it&#8217;s not very unusual to use phosphorus to create smoke or illuminate a target. We have no evidence to suggest it&#8217;s being used in any other way.&#8221;</p>
<p>In response, the Israeli military said Tuesday that it &#8220;wishes to reiterate that it uses weapons in compliance with international law, while strictly observing that they be used in accordance with the type of combat and its characteristics.&#8221;</p>
<p>Herby said that using phosphorus to illuminate a target or create smoke is legitimate under international law, and that there was no evidence the Jewish state was intentionally using phosphorus in a questionable way, such as burning down buildings or consciously putting civilians at risk</p>
<p>However, Herby said evidence is still limited because of the difficulties of gaining access to Gaza, where Palestinian health officials say more than 900 people have been killed and 4,250 wounded since Israel launched its offensive late last month. Israel says the operation aims to halt years of Palestinian rocket attacks over the border.</p>
<p>Human Rights Watch has accused Israel of firing phosphorous shells and warned of the possibilities of extreme fire and civilian injuries. The chemical is suspected in the cases of 10 burn victims who had skin peeling off their faces and bodies.</p>
<p>White phosphorus is not considered a chemical weapon.</p>
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		<title>By: Bock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Condi might have been taken aback, but still abstained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Condi might have been taken aback, but still abstained.</p>
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		<title>By: st.leger.norma</title>
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		<dc:creator>st.leger.norma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really sure where is the right place to post this, but i&#039;m choosing here, don&#039;t want to go off topic.
The Israeli government are now trying to ban Arab parliamentarians from the upcoming elections, because surprise surprise they are opposing the war crimes in Gaza.
The tide of world opinion is turning very rapidly against the actions of Israel, they seem to be clinging to the death throes of the Bush regime.
Ehud Olmert himself called Bush before the U.N. Sec council voted on the ceasefire resoulution, to tell him the U.S. had to abstain, apparantly Condeleeza Rice was even taken aback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really sure where is the right place to post this, but i&#8217;m choosing here, don&#8217;t want to go off topic.<br />
The Israeli government are now trying to ban Arab parliamentarians from the upcoming elections, because surprise surprise they are opposing the war crimes in Gaza.<br />
The tide of world opinion is turning very rapidly against the actions of Israel, they seem to be clinging to the death throes of the Bush regime.<br />
Ehud Olmert himself called Bush before the U.N. Sec council voted on the ceasefire resoulution, to tell him the U.S. had to abstain, apparantly Condeleeza Rice was even taken aback.</p>
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		<title>By: Bock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;-  anti-capitalist 

-  diatribe 

-  Studentâ€™s Union 

-  bar

-  liberal arts 

-  college&lt;/i&gt;

Many weasel words there my friend.

Are you just a learner or do you have a full apologist&#039;s licence?  You&#039;re still a bit transparent if you don&#039;t mind me saying so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>-  anti-capitalist </p>
<p>-  diatribe </p>
<p>-  Studentâ€™s Union </p>
<p>-  bar</p>
<p>-  liberal arts </p>
<p>-  college</i></p>
<p>Many weasel words there my friend.</p>
<p>Are you just a learner or do you have a full apologist&#8217;s licence?  You&#8217;re still a bit transparent if you don&#8217;t mind me saying so.</p>
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		<title>By: C'est La Craic</title>
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		<dc:creator>C'est La Craic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-thesystemworks
It&#039;s not anti-capitalist diatribe, simply the way publicity, marketing and PR works. I&#039;ve never been to the Student&#039;s Union bar in a liberal arts college like you so I wouldn&#039;t know what they talk about there. If you don&#039;t believe me, go and read up on Edward Bernays and form your own opinion.

How about these quotations from Ehud Olmert
â€œThe Jewish people, on whom the scars of the Holocaust are deeply etched, cannot allow itself to again face a threat against its very existence,â€ 
â€œIn the past, the world remained silent and the results are known. Our role is to prevent the world from repeating this mistake.â€
&quot;we are paying close attention and are more sensitive than any other people to threats of extermination&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-thesystemworks<br />
It&#8217;s not anti-capitalist diatribe, simply the way publicity, marketing and PR works. I&#8217;ve never been to the Student&#8217;s Union bar in a liberal arts college like you so I wouldn&#8217;t know what they talk about there. If you don&#8217;t believe me, go and read up on Edward Bernays and form your own opinion.</p>
<p>How about these quotations from Ehud Olmert<br />
â€œThe Jewish people, on whom the scars of the Holocaust are deeply etched, cannot allow itself to again face a threat against its very existence,â€<br />
â€œIn the past, the world remained silent and the results are known. Our role is to prevent the world from repeating this mistake.â€<br />
&#8220;we are paying close attention and are more sensitive than any other people to threats of extermination&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: st.leger.norma</title>
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		<dc:creator>st.leger.norma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>c&#039;est thank you for your excellent response to 
&quot;subliminally evoking the shoah&quot;
isn&#039;t it amazing though that sometimes people choose to focus on the &quot;play of words&quot; rather than the content.

the systemworks; its a very tired ploy, to fall back on the old &quot;students&quot; and &quot;liberal arts&quot; comparison just to be cynical and avoid genuine debate. 

The fear amongst Israelis commited to the path of suppression is that if they are not strong in the way they are told to be, they will weaken the collectivity and find themselves with nothing.
There is nothing like &quot;evoking the shoah&quot; to flick that switch and obtain mass approval for mass murder.
When anybody relinquishes the effort of &quot;free thinking&quot; they become vulnerable to &quot;living in fear&quot;
We could in Ireland fall victim to &quot;subliminal evoking of the famine&quot; were we to become victims of what is being touted regarding our economic environment, because fear gathers momentum when voiced by the collective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>c&#8217;est thank you for your excellent response to<br />
&#8220;subliminally evoking the shoah&#8221;<br />
isn&#8217;t it amazing though that sometimes people choose to focus on the &#8220;play of words&#8221; rather than the content.</p>
<p>the systemworks; its a very tired ploy, to fall back on the old &#8220;students&#8221; and &#8220;liberal arts&#8221; comparison just to be cynical and avoid genuine debate. </p>
<p>The fear amongst Israelis commited to the path of suppression is that if they are not strong in the way they are told to be, they will weaken the collectivity and find themselves with nothing.<br />
There is nothing like &#8220;evoking the shoah&#8221; to flick that switch and obtain mass approval for mass murder.<br />
When anybody relinquishes the effort of &#8220;free thinking&#8221; they become vulnerable to &#8220;living in fear&#8221;<br />
We could in Ireland fall victim to &#8220;subliminal evoking of the famine&#8221; were we to become victims of what is being touted regarding our economic environment, because fear gathers momentum when voiced by the collective.</p>
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		<title>By: thesystemworks</title>
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		<dc:creator>thesystemworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&#039;est La Craic, thanks for the anti-capitalist diatribe I could have heard in any Student&#039;s Union bar of a liberal arts college. But it doesn&#039;t explain how Israel can &#039;subliminally evoke&#039;, as Bock puts it, the Shoah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;est La Craic, thanks for the anti-capitalist diatribe I could have heard in any Student&#8217;s Union bar of a liberal arts college. But it doesn&#8217;t explain how Israel can &#8217;subliminally evoke&#8217;, as Bock puts it, the Shoah.</p>
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		<title>By: C'est La Craic</title>
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		<dc:creator>C'est La Craic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-thesytemworks
If you can be subliminaly manipulated into buying something you don&#039;t want or need, then you can be manipulated into thinking something. In fact passive manipulation, such as PR where the raget is your opinion, is much easier to achieve than than proactive manipulation, where you are required to do something after (such as go to the shop and pay for something).
If you look at the work of Edward Bernays, the father of modern advertising and PR (originaly Press Relations, which he chose because of the negative conotations associated with the word &#039;propoganda&#039;) you will see that it is almost entirely based on the work of his uncle, Sigmund Freud.
If you can be manipulated into associating a certain product, a car say, with a thought or emotion, masculinity or virility in the case of the car, than you can be manipulate into associating Israel and the Shoah. It&#039;s just marketing. And it is evil.
To quote the excellent Terry Pratchett;
&lt;i&gt;You sell the sizzle, not the sausage&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-thesytemworks<br />
If you can be subliminaly manipulated into buying something you don&#8217;t want or need, then you can be manipulated into thinking something. In fact passive manipulation, such as PR where the raget is your opinion, is much easier to achieve than than proactive manipulation, where you are required to do something after (such as go to the shop and pay for something).<br />
If you look at the work of Edward Bernays, the father of modern advertising and PR (originaly Press Relations, which he chose because of the negative conotations associated with the word &#8216;propoganda&#8217;) you will see that it is almost entirely based on the work of his uncle, Sigmund Freud.<br />
If you can be manipulated into associating a certain product, a car say, with a thought or emotion, masculinity or virility in the case of the car, than you can be manipulate into associating Israel and the Shoah. It&#8217;s just marketing. And it is evil.<br />
To quote the excellent Terry Pratchett;<br />
<i>You sell the sizzle, not the sausage</i></p>
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		<title>By: Bock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s easy enough to invoke something subliminally by touching on parallel, related matters.  This is especially true of the Holocaust, which was such an abomination that it carries hundreds of trigger-points for all of us.  

Thank you for alerting me to this.  I&#039;ll write a post on it when the Israelis finally grow tired of murdering people in Gaza.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s easy enough to invoke something subliminally by touching on parallel, related matters.  This is especially true of the Holocaust, which was such an abomination that it carries hundreds of trigger-points for all of us.  </p>
<p>Thank you for alerting me to this.  I&#8217;ll write a post on it when the Israelis finally grow tired of murdering people in Gaza.</p>
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