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		<title>By: Bock</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2009/01/war-crimes/comment-page-1#comment-65900</link>
		<dc:creator>Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ofer -- Nobody here speaks for Hamas.  Nobody here defends attacks against civilians.

However, there is no comparison, in military terms between the capabilities of Hamas and the capabilities of the Israeli military.

The rockets are not capable of damaging Israel militarily.  Although they have harmed the families of their victims, in military terms they are insignificant.   In the last eight years they have killed ten Israelis.  Ten.  Less than traffic accidents kill in two weeks on your roads.

Therefore, even though the Hamas attacks are crimes, they do not justify your decision to blast a thousand civilians to pieces.

Look at what is being done in your name.  This is barbarity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ofer &#8212; Nobody here speaks for Hamas.  Nobody here defends attacks against civilians.</p>
<p>However, there is no comparison, in military terms between the capabilities of Hamas and the capabilities of the Israeli military.</p>
<p>The rockets are not capable of damaging Israel militarily.  Although they have harmed the families of their victims, in military terms they are insignificant.   In the last eight years they have killed ten Israelis.  Ten.  Less than traffic accidents kill in two weeks on your roads.</p>
<p>Therefore, even though the Hamas attacks are crimes, they do not justify your decision to blast a thousand civilians to pieces.</p>
<p>Look at what is being done in your name.  This is barbarity.</p>
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		<title>By: rockmother</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2009/01/war-crimes/comment-page-1#comment-65897</link>
		<dc:creator>rockmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ofer - I was merely referring to Israel&#039;s disproportionate attacks in this particular instance - I do not support violence against another person or suicide attacks by anyone/any faction on another person either whichever side they be on or agenda they intend to fulfill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ofer &#8211; I was merely referring to Israel&#8217;s disproportionate attacks in this particular instance &#8211; I do not support violence against another person or suicide attacks by anyone/any faction on another person either whichever side they be on or agenda they intend to fulfill.</p>
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		<title>By: Ofer</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2009/01/war-crimes/comment-page-1#comment-65830</link>
		<dc:creator>Ofer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well, I stand corrected (sue/prosecute), English is not my mother tongue.

Some more on Hamas war crimes, from -
* &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231866576202&amp;pagename=JPArticle/ShowFull&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A former Canadian Justice minister&lt;/a&gt;* &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Terror+Groups/Legal_aspects_of_Hamas_methods_7_Jan_2009.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Official Israeli position&lt;/a&gt;
* Even HRW &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2008/12/31/q-hostilities-between-israel-and-hamas#_Is_Hamas&#039;s_firing&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; unequivocally designates the Hamas attacks&lt;/a&gt; as war crimes
But it&#039;s obvious that the actual results, with Israel clearly having the upper hand, make this a less popular argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well, I stand corrected (sue/prosecute), English is not my mother tongue.</p>
<p>Some more on Hamas war crimes, from -<br />
* <a href="http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231866576202&amp;pagename=JPArticle/ShowFull" rel="nofollow">A former Canadian Justice minister</a>* <a href="http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Terror+Groups/Legal_aspects_of_Hamas_methods_7_Jan_2009.htm" rel="nofollow">Official Israeli position</a><br />
* Even HRW <a href="http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2008/12/31/q-hostilities-between-israel-and-hamas#_Is_Hamas's_firing" rel="nofollow"> unequivocally designates the Hamas attacks</a> as war crimes<br />
But it&#8217;s obvious that the actual results, with Israel clearly having the upper hand, make this a less popular argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Bock</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2009/01/war-crimes/comment-page-1#comment-65791</link>
		<dc:creator>Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re not talking about suing anybody here.  War crimes are a criminal matter, not civil, and the appropriate procedure is prosecution.

Individuals can be prosecuted in the Hague for war crimes, and that applies to members of Hamas as well as to members of the IDF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re not talking about suing anybody here.  War crimes are a criminal matter, not civil, and the appropriate procedure is prosecution.</p>
<p>Individuals can be prosecuted in the Hague for war crimes, and that applies to members of Hamas as well as to members of the IDF.</p>
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		<title>By: Ofer</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2009/01/war-crimes/comment-page-1#comment-65789</link>
		<dc:creator>Ofer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Norma - very well, I&#039;m sure there will be plenty of people eager to sue Israel (and that&#039;s what the attorney general meant in what he said), let&#039;s wait and see what indeed holds as a true war crime. In fact, there have been legal advisors working with all of the army&#039;s planning, to make sure that there&#039;s adherence to the exact rules Bock listed, which are not guaranteed to eliminate civilian casualties completely, but rather intentional or excessive ones.

I doubt, by the way, that Hamas will be persecuted in any way, as I don&#039;t think they are not really a legal entity that can be tried, same as we could not sue them for all the suicide bombings they&#039;ve conducted. We are a democratic country, and as such as we follow international laws and take responsibility over our deeds, it&#039;s just difficult for you, not having been in a state of war recently (lucky you), to understand that these are the ugly outcomes of war. So feel free to call the Hague.

And as for the &quot;wave of revulsion&quot; - ever wondered why of all places, in the west bank (controlled by the palestinian authority) there have not been significant protests for Hamas? do they know something you don&#039;t? (hint: yes, they do, and if in the next Palestinian elections Hamas will be defeated, don&#039;t be surprised).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Norma &#8211; very well, I&#8217;m sure there will be plenty of people eager to sue Israel (and that&#8217;s what the attorney general meant in what he said), let&#8217;s wait and see what indeed holds as a true war crime. In fact, there have been legal advisors working with all of the army&#8217;s planning, to make sure that there&#8217;s adherence to the exact rules Bock listed, which are not guaranteed to eliminate civilian casualties completely, but rather intentional or excessive ones.</p>
<p>I doubt, by the way, that Hamas will be persecuted in any way, as I don&#8217;t think they are not really a legal entity that can be tried, same as we could not sue them for all the suicide bombings they&#8217;ve conducted. We are a democratic country, and as such as we follow international laws and take responsibility over our deeds, it&#8217;s just difficult for you, not having been in a state of war recently (lucky you), to understand that these are the ugly outcomes of war. So feel free to call the Hague.</p>
<p>And as for the &#8220;wave of revulsion&#8221; &#8211; ever wondered why of all places, in the west bank (controlled by the palestinian authority) there have not been significant protests for Hamas? do they know something you don&#8217;t? (hint: yes, they do, and if in the next Palestinian elections Hamas will be defeated, don&#8217;t be surprised).</p>
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		<title>By: Bock</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2009/01/war-crimes/comment-page-1#comment-65783</link>
		<dc:creator>Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s genocide, but I do think it&#039;s an atrocity and a war crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s genocide, but I do think it&#8217;s an atrocity and a war crime.</p>
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		<title>By: st.leger.norma</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2009/01/war-crimes/comment-page-1#comment-65781</link>
		<dc:creator>st.leger.norma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have already posted the Israelis Attornry Generals response to the War Crimes question under &quot;1000 dead&quot; post.

The U.N Human Rights Council and the U.N. Security Council have the authority to order an investigation, It will be fairly predictable that the U.S. may well block every move made by the International Community, This time they cannot and must not escape from the moral responsibility of the genocide taking place.
Gideon Levy writing in Haaetz said &quot;Racism and hatred are rearing their ugly heads, as is the impulse for revenge and the thirst for blood, &quot;the inclination of the commander in the IDF is now to kill as many as possible&quot; he continues &quot;anyone who justifies this war also justifies war crimes&quot;
The wave of revulsion expressed globally is also being expressed within Israel, Every single one of us must take action to insure they do not walk away from this, as they walked away from Sabra and Shatila, and the use of cluster bombs against civilian targets in Lebanon in 2006.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have already posted the Israelis Attornry Generals response to the War Crimes question under &#8220;1000 dead&#8221; post.</p>
<p>The U.N Human Rights Council and the U.N. Security Council have the authority to order an investigation, It will be fairly predictable that the U.S. may well block every move made by the International Community, This time they cannot and must not escape from the moral responsibility of the genocide taking place.<br />
Gideon Levy writing in Haaetz said &#8220;Racism and hatred are rearing their ugly heads, as is the impulse for revenge and the thirst for blood, &#8220;the inclination of the commander in the IDF is now to kill as many as possible&#8221; he continues &#8220;anyone who justifies this war also justifies war crimes&#8221;<br />
The wave of revulsion expressed globally is also being expressed within Israel, Every single one of us must take action to insure they do not walk away from this, as they walked away from Sabra and Shatila, and the use of cluster bombs against civilian targets in Lebanon in 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: Bock</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2009/01/war-crimes/comment-page-1#comment-65779</link>
		<dc:creator>Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d call for hamas to be prosecuted for targeting civilians with rockets.

And I&#039;d also call for the prosecution of the IDF members and government ministers who were responsible for breaching all the other highlighted provisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d call for hamas to be prosecuted for targeting civilians with rockets.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;d also call for the prosecution of the IDF members and government ministers who were responsible for breaching all the other highlighted provisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ofer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ofer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plain and Simple!

rockmother, you had a typo there, you did mean to say Hamas, right? cause that&#039;s what I read in almost all passages cited. Yes, firing inaccurate rockets directly at residential areas, with no military target whatsoever, with the aim of hitting civilians, and firing from and hiding behind civilian population, all surely fit those parts you emphasized. Surely that&#039;s what you had in mind, and I&#039;m positive you will diligently call for their persecution on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plain and Simple!</p>
<p>rockmother, you had a typo there, you did mean to say Hamas, right? cause that&#8217;s what I read in almost all passages cited. Yes, firing inaccurate rockets directly at residential areas, with no military target whatsoever, with the aim of hitting civilians, and firing from and hiding behind civilian population, all surely fit those parts you emphasized. Surely that&#8217;s what you had in mind, and I&#8217;m positive you will diligently call for their persecution on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Jeating</title>
		<link>http://bocktherobber.com/2009/01/war-crimes/comment-page-1#comment-65764</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Jeating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coincidence, Bock. I am just about posting the &#039;Convention against Torture&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coincidence, Bock. I am just about posting the &#8216;Convention against Torture&#8217;.</p>
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