I take it I'm one of the two men? Because I suggested you deliberately took a John Waters approach to offending folks of a feminist disposition? Just checking, before I go on at length about it and risk boring you.
Had been finding your blog interesting but this is Epic Fail material. I'm sure if you did up a really good cover letter you could have a good shot at writing the editorials for the Sun. You messed up, own it.
Rob, – We are dismayed at your reluctance to mix colours with whites in your washing and will be keeping an eye on you and your segregationist ways. We pray for the day – as our beloved secular saint Bono intones – "when all your colours bleed into one" Trying singing that to the other half when she comes home – and everything is a nice shade of pink..
@Gimme
Listen, Sergeant, I was in Women's Lib when the Contraceptive Train went to Belfast. I don't need your "helpful interventions" to "protect" me from "unsuitable comments". Go find your funny bone wherever you lost it. You're barking up the wrong tree.
Nora; Don't let Gimme Sergeant wind you, bet you and I know what a great place the "kitchen" is ? It would only be the thinking of a man immersed in the "establishment" that would in 2009 see the "kitchen" as a place of lesser value or some degree of capture.
I tell you I love my kitchen ! I and many others have had some great times in my kitchen, cooked great food hatched great plans, explored wonderous topics and come up with profound idea's, I could go on but you know what I mean, children of the revolution !
I wasn't trying to protect you, Nora. I was attempting to point out that if the joke had been racist rather than sexist it would have been considered offensive.
'It would only be the thinking of a man immersed in the “establishment†that would in 2009 see the “kitchen†as a place of lesser value or some degree of capture.'
You're talking about Fox there, Norma? Because that is thinking on which the 'humour' in the joke
depends.
For the sake of clarity. I would like to point out that I am the home-maker in my family and therefore see a whole lot of value in the kitchen. And the raising of children. And indeed most of the roles that are still, even in 2009, considered 'women's work'.
If it was about crippled retarded children it would be even less funny. Or Holocaust victims.
You can always drag the arse out of comparisons till you get the answer you want.
We'll have to draw up a list of Things You Can't Slag, and post it on the internet. I can think of one or two Irish bloggers who'll have to mend their ways.
Hey, the picture's pretty funny. Militant feminism is often ridiculous. But a joke about women belonging in the kitchen? It's just locker room terror disguised as humour.
Your commenters bring out the sanctimoaner in me Bock. I'll seek help.
Can we slag gay Leinster fans, one of whom -ahead of this evenings showdown at TP – claimed last night that their going to "teach us a lesson, absolutely…?
If they do win tonight then they'll be down here, bating us at rugby, drinking our beer – and shagging our men…..
Please , please, please Bock, can I slag a horse in the National to-day ?
His name is ironically "Fundamentalist" and his form indicates he must be the "love horse" of Bertie and Brian Cowan, John Waters might well be his Godfather and at 150/1 he can't be sensitive.
I came across an astonishing fact a few months ago (and saw it again mentioned on Whickers world) that women didn' t get the vote till 1972 (ish) in Switzerland. I wasn't even born then but still I find it astonishing so you must understand how some women of a certain age are pissed off about things. I thought that was astonishing. your blog is turning me into a bra burning feminist and its all your fault cos you're a man!
Well, strangely enough, it seems to me that the women with more experience who comment here are least disturbed by humour. It's the younger ones and the men who seem to be most po-faced.
On closer examination of the image. It does not seem to be a child. More like a teenager? Yet seems not to have breasts. It is alleged that some warlords have “toy boys†.The hand holding the R.P.G. looks male to me? Probably more C.I.A. crap but who knows? This might help to disperse some of the pro/anti feminist stuff. Do have a closer look. I doubt if any of the “Brethren†can read English because one way or the other the model would be carrying their head under their arm.
I think it unlikely that the Taliban would be too impressed with the T-shirt if they knew what it meant.
The following from “Frontpagemag†( most likely right wing crap I shall check)
The fact that Taliban militants' spare time involves sodomizing young boys should by no means be any kind of surprise or eyebrow raiser. That a mass pathology such as this occurs in a culture which demonizes the female and her sexuality — and puts her out of mind and sight — is only to be expected. To be sure, it is a simple given that the religious male fanatic who flies into a violent rage even at the thought of an exposed woman's ankle will also be, in some other dysfunctional and dark secret compartment of his fractured life, the person who leads some poor helpless young boy into his private chambers.
Having copied and enlarged the image I am of the opinion that there is hair on the arm below the wrist. I doubt that the Taliban would tolerate the idea of Female fighters. I may be totally wrong.
For feck sake BOCK. It's one thing laughing at a post that's humorous but this thread has got to be the funniest stuff out there.
Commentators all; búaille bos!
Women with experience in what? A joke is fine, but some of the comments on justifying poor (boo hoo) men who have been left by a woman for another man seem to justify stabbing someone ( I don't condone plunging a knife into someone but God to choose someone else over me, I'll teach you). Incredible stuff!
There are many. 'I don't condone killing but……..But ….. actually I do is what is being said. Poor man, his state of mine. The boyfriend is a buddhist musician (ooooh God, how terrible). I have tried to copy and paste some of the comments, but they wont transfer for me. Just look at the post re Jean's murder. I'm afraid that man cannot be excused for his behaviour because he did it in front of his kids. The final kick in the teeth for his wife, regardless of the horror of those children. This is a really horrible sad case, I went out with a violent man so forgive me for being angry about these things. Some men will forever justify their cruelty to women, though I am well aware that it works the other way too. That's my final thought on it anyway.
"Can't condone killing anyone but I don't believe he murdered his wife, murder is premeditated, this fellow seems to have snapped."
Elle, this is what I wrote, please read what I wrote and don't put words in my mouth. I do not condone any killing, no exceptions. I wrote that before the jury reached it's verdict. My opinion may differ from the jurys, but theirs counts not mine.
Elle — No 8 seems to have said that it was manslaughter, which is the question the jury was asked to decide on. The judge also believed it was manslaughter, according to the news reports.
Both murder and manslaughter, incidentally, are crimes.
No 8, I never paid any attention to what you wrote therefore did not put words in your mouth. My opinion has nothing to do with anything you wrote. Now that I have read your quote – Snapped my arse, he put the knife up his back, and waited till Jean and the children came in. and stuck the knife into her 4 times. Stupid man, he destroyed not only his life but his kids and wifes and life and Mr. Campion's
It is but he doesn't deserve it. He felt sorry for himself and wanted his bold wife to pay. and she did….. and their children…. and he did. Everybody's life ruined. Very sad. The misogyny debate is a waste of time though. While I agreed with Twenty's and gimme's comments, I think this Meadbh is using every topic as a womens study exercise. Yes, women have a rough deal, but sometimes men do too and harping on about how hard we have it (male or female) is just a waste of time. Us women have our advantages and men have theirs. Let's use them with skill and kindness!
Elee, my apologies, I thought you were referring to my post. However I do believe that he snapped as I find it hard to believe that a rational human being would stab their spouse in front of their children. I agree that men and women are different. We should enjoy our differences and not use them as a weapon against each other. IMO both sexes are equal (except women can't park) Viva la difference!
Oi No. 8, I'm brill at parking – a professional! Bock that is just my opinion, I think trying to understand that poor man is absolving him of some of his gross neglect and revenging rage to his kids, not everyone elses.
We are not therepists, but nor are we judges, solicitors, journalists, politicians or political commentators. That shouldn't stop us asking questions.
We don't have to understand that the poor man was hard done by, what's important is that (maybe) he thought he was hard done by.
But as you say we are not therepist, and perhaps the guy simply was patriarchal or misoygnic, who knows.
"I know I look like a fucking queer but herself is gone for the weekend and didn't I leave a red sock in with the whites"
Look at the pose and imagine there's no RPG launcher. It's very Uh, uh gir'frien' !
Is he in the Fannyban?
Statistically fifteen percent of women will find this post offensive.
The other eighty five percent are in the kitchen where they fucking should be.
And two men.
She has lovely eyes though!
Is that Medbh, from Dante and the Lobster?
It's a picture of a dedicated fighter in the Global War On Disagreeing With Boil-in-the-Bag Answers to Everything.
@Fox, love it!
I take it I'm one of the two men? Because I suggested you deliberately took a John Waters approach to offending folks of a feminist disposition? Just checking, before I go on at length about it and risk boring you.
No Conan. It's a joke, like Fox's reference to 15% of women.
I'm "cracking up" at No. 8 …
How does anyone know that's a woman? It could be a transvestite pissed of at men of being @#$%^*!
Some people know what you're thinking. It's an amazing gift. Haven't you been reading the stuff over the last week?
on and off… I have not been following all the comments closely… it seems I missed something here? or did I?
Had been finding your blog interesting but this is Epic Fail material. I'm sure if you did up a really good cover letter you could have a good shot at writing the editorials for the Sun. You messed up, own it.
Rob, – We are dismayed at your reluctance to mix colours with whites in your washing and will be keeping an eye on you and your segregationist ways. We pray for the day – as our beloved secular saint Bono intones – "when all your colours bleed into one" Trying singing that to the other half when she comes home – and everything is a nice shade of pink..
Nevin — You missed an extraordinary display of browbeating by an ideological mob.
Betty — There's nothing to discuss in that comment because you didn't say anything.
i just wonder where those colors would make for good camouflage, sugar. xoxo
Here?
http://www.barbieconvention.com/
The other eighty five percent are in the kitchen where they fucking should be.
I hate to be an idealogical bore, but I don't understand how this is an acceptable comment.
Because it's a joke?
What do you call a nigger in a car? A thief.
Just a joke.
Amazing what people perceive from just one image. Just as well you didn't post the entire family album; the comments would be truly insane!
Seems to me, based on lots of the comments here that people may not have figured out what their eyes are for.
As for mind reading; well, I might try it next Tuesday!!
"I hate to be an idealogical bore, but I don't understand how this is an acceptable comment."
For shit's sake lighten up. I'm a woman and I don't need you to monitor jokes or comments for me. Thanks anyway, Sergeant.
What's the difference between an Irish wedding and an Irish wake?
One less drunk.
As the subject of feminism is in the air, here's the Southpark perspective
Off you go back to the kitchen so, Nora.
@Gimme
Listen, Sergeant, I was in Women's Lib when the Contraceptive Train went to Belfast. I don't need your "helpful interventions" to "protect" me from "unsuitable comments". Go find your funny bone wherever you lost it. You're barking up the wrong tree.
Nora; Don't let Gimme Sergeant wind you, bet you and I know what a great place the "kitchen" is ? It would only be the thinking of a man immersed in the "establishment" that would in 2009 see the "kitchen" as a place of lesser value or some degree of capture.
I tell you I love my kitchen ! I and many others have had some great times in my kitchen, cooked great food hatched great plans, explored wonderous topics and come up with profound idea's, I could go on but you know what I mean, children of the revolution !
Ironicly, professional kitchens are generaly male dominated and very macho.
I love my kitchen too, Norma. And it's not called the "heart" of the home for nothing. :)
C'est La Craic, I've often wondered why so many 'celebrity chefs' are men. I don't get it. But I've never read up on the subject either.
Nora — According to orthodox feminist theory, you are now an honorary man.
Cripes, what did I do?
ita a revlon ad 4 nail varnish " IT WONT CRACK UNDER PRESSURE"
I wasn't trying to protect you, Nora. I was attempting to point out that if the joke had been racist rather than sexist it would have been considered offensive.
'It would only be the thinking of a man immersed in the “establishment†that would in 2009 see the “kitchen†as a place of lesser value or some degree of capture.'
You're talking about Fox there, Norma? Because that is thinking on which the 'humour' in the joke
depends.
For the sake of clarity. I would like to point out that I am the home-maker in my family and therefore see a whole lot of value in the kitchen. And the raising of children. And indeed most of the roles that are still, even in 2009, considered 'women's work'.
Sorry about my mistake Gimme, guilty as charged, it was very late, very tired should have taken my own advice and re read.
For Fox sake enjoy the sunshine
No problem, Norma. There Will Be Playgrounding.
Why stop with racism?
If it was about crippled retarded children it would be even less funny. Or Holocaust victims.
You can always drag the arse out of comparisons till you get the answer you want.
We'll have to draw up a list of Things You Can't Slag, and post it on the internet. I can think of one or two Irish bloggers who'll have to mend their ways.
Hey, the picture's pretty funny. Militant feminism is often ridiculous. But a joke about women belonging in the kitchen? It's just locker room terror disguised as humour.
Your commenters bring out the sanctimoaner in me Bock. I'll seek help.
Things You Can't Slag
No. 1: You can't slag my sons. Because they're perfect. Obviously.
"It's just locker room terror disguised as humour."
It's not terror. And it might have been offensive 35 years ago. Not now — and *certainly* not when it's tongue in cheek.
Relax, Gimme. You're very uptight.
Why do women have orgasms?
So people can make up funny monikers.
It gives them an excuse to moan.
Can we slag gay Leinster fans, one of whom -ahead of this evenings showdown at TP – claimed last night that their going to "teach us a lesson, absolutely…?
If they do win tonight then they'll be down here, bating us at rugby, drinking our beer – and shagging our men…..
"It gives them an excuse to moan."
Ah but that's fake.
Here, I have to go into the kitchen. Can I have a dispensation?
I thought all the leinster fans were female ?
isn't that moaning thats heard from the stands ?
@nora
Consider yourself dispensed!
Please , please, please Bock, can I slag a horse in the National to-day ?
His name is ironically "Fundamentalist" and his form indicates he must be the "love horse" of Bertie and Brian Cowan, John Waters might well be his Godfather and at 150/1 he can't be sensitive.
I came across an astonishing fact a few months ago (and saw it again mentioned on Whickers world) that women didn' t get the vote till 1972 (ish) in Switzerland. I wasn't even born then but still I find it astonishing so you must understand how some women of a certain age are pissed off about things. I thought that was astonishing. your blog is turning me into a bra burning feminist and its all your fault cos you're a man!
Well, strangely enough, it seems to me that the women with more experience who comment here are least disturbed by humour. It's the younger ones and the men who seem to be most po-faced.
On closer examination of the image. It does not seem to be a child. More like a teenager? Yet seems not to have breasts. It is alleged that some warlords have “toy boys†.The hand holding the R.P.G. looks male to me? Probably more C.I.A. crap but who knows? This might help to disperse some of the pro/anti feminist stuff. Do have a closer look. I doubt if any of the “Brethren†can read English because one way or the other the model would be carrying their head under their arm.
What?
I think it unlikely that the Taliban would be too impressed with the T-shirt if they knew what it meant.
The following from “Frontpagemag†( most likely right wing crap I shall check)
The fact that Taliban militants' spare time involves sodomizing young boys should by no means be any kind of surprise or eyebrow raiser. That a mass pathology such as this occurs in a culture which demonizes the female and her sexuality — and puts her out of mind and sight — is only to be expected. To be sure, it is a simple given that the religious male fanatic who flies into a violent rage even at the thought of an exposed woman's ankle will also be, in some other dysfunctional and dark secret compartment of his fractured life, the person who leads some poor helpless young boy into his private chambers.
Having copied and enlarged the image I am of the opinion that there is hair on the arm below the wrist. I doubt that the Taliban would tolerate the idea of Female fighters. I may be totally wrong.
Gary — le Craic photoshopped the picture for this post. It's only a joke. Lighten up.
Try this link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu2YzHY8VIU
The dam thing will not work but try copy and past in your browser.
Many the true word spoken in jest?
For feck sake BOCK. It's one thing laughing at a post that's humorous but this thread has got to be the funniest stuff out there.
Commentators all; búaille bos!
Caption for pic:Does my bomb look big in this?
Abdul:why single out the gay Leinster rugby supporters,dont be disciminatory,slag all of them…
Women with experience in what? A joke is fine, but some of the comments on justifying poor (boo hoo) men who have been left by a woman for another man seem to justify stabbing someone ( I don't condone plunging a knife into someone but God to choose someone else over me, I'll teach you). Incredible stuff!
Elle — Could you point out the comments you're thinking of where somebody justified the murder?
Maybe you could copy and paste them so we could look at them in detail.
There are many. 'I don't condone killing but……..But ….. actually I do is what is being said. Poor man, his state of mine. The boyfriend is a buddhist musician (ooooh God, how terrible). I have tried to copy and paste some of the comments, but they wont transfer for me. Just look at the post re Jean's murder. I'm afraid that man cannot be excused for his behaviour because he did it in front of his kids. The final kick in the teeth for his wife, regardless of the horror of those children. This is a really horrible sad case, I went out with a violent man so forgive me for being angry about these things. Some men will forever justify their cruelty to women, though I am well aware that it works the other way too. That's my final thought on it anyway.
I don't think he can be excused either, but you know what I think people missed here?
I think people couldn't tell the difference between trying to understand what happened and excusing what happened.
"Can't condone killing anyone but I don't believe he murdered his wife, murder is premeditated, this fellow seems to have snapped."
Elle, this is what I wrote, please read what I wrote and don't put words in my mouth. I do not condone any killing, no exceptions. I wrote that before the jury reached it's verdict. My opinion may differ from the jurys, but theirs counts not mine.
Elle — No 8 seems to have said that it was manslaughter, which is the question the jury was asked to decide on. The judge also believed it was manslaughter, according to the news reports.
Both murder and manslaughter, incidentally, are crimes.
No 8, I never paid any attention to what you wrote therefore did not put words in your mouth. My opinion has nothing to do with anything you wrote. Now that I have read your quote – Snapped my arse, he put the knife up his back, and waited till Jean and the children came in. and stuck the knife into her 4 times. Stupid man, he destroyed not only his life but his kids and wifes and life and Mr. Campion's
Elle — Instead of everybody bickering, maybe I could ask you a question.
Do you think it's legitimate to try and figure out what went on inside David Bourke's mind?
It is but he doesn't deserve it. He felt sorry for himself and wanted his bold wife to pay. and she did….. and their children…. and he did. Everybody's life ruined. Very sad. The misogyny debate is a waste of time though. While I agreed with Twenty's and gimme's comments, I think this Meadbh is using every topic as a womens study exercise. Yes, women have a rough deal, but sometimes men do too and harping on about how hard we have it (male or female) is just a waste of time. Us women have our advantages and men have theirs. Let's use them with skill and kindness!
Elle — You may have put your finger on it. Do you think people thought it was for David Bourke, and not for better insight on all our behalf?
Is it as simple as that? Did people read the word "understand" and see the word "condone"?
Well that's what I thought. It certainly seemed that way from the article and the comments.
So there we have it. As simple as that.
People think understanding the mechanism of how a murderer evolved is the same as approving of it.
Elee, my apologies, I thought you were referring to my post. However I do believe that he snapped as I find it hard to believe that a rational human being would stab their spouse in front of their children. I agree that men and women are different. We should enjoy our differences and not use them as a weapon against each other. IMO both sexes are equal (except women can't park) Viva la difference!
Oi No. 8, I'm brill at parking – a professional! Bock that is just my opinion, I think trying to understand that poor man is absolving him of some of his gross neglect and revenging rage to his kids, not everyone elses.
Well, if I was a researcher trying to understand an illness, nobody would say I approved of people getting sick, would they?
We are not therapists.
-Elle
Good for you. I can't even drive.
We are not therepists, but nor are we judges, solicitors, journalists, politicians or political commentators. That shouldn't stop us asking questions.
We don't have to understand that the poor man was hard done by, what's important is that (maybe) he thought he was hard done by.
But as you say we are not therepist, and perhaps the guy simply was patriarchal or misoygnic, who knows.
Elle — I'm not following you. What point are you making?