Iran Elections Fiddled

 Posted by on June 13, 2009  Add comments
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It looks like Hack-Me-Dinner-Jacket has stolen the elections in Iran.

I wonder what this means for relations with Middle-Eastern neighbours, or the wider world?  Probably nothing at all, considering the fact that the whole place is run by clerics anyway, a bit like Ireland in the Fifties.

You know, Iran and Ireland have so much in common, from fiddling elections to putting miserable old clerics in charge of things they know nothing about.

As far as I can tell, Dinner-Jacket’s role is superficial, the real power lying with Ayatollah Khamenei, another ridiculous old priest, with unlimited political power in a confessional state, much like John Charles McQuaid in the Ireland of the Forties, Fifties and Sixties. Isn’t it a wonderful thing?  In Iran they put old priests in charge of power stations.  Here we put them in charge of abusing children.

What’s interesting, though, is that so much rioting is happening in Teheran, which would have been unheard of a few years ago.  It’s a sign of different thinking among Iranians and it could bubble over into something very like a popular uprising.  But we can all remember the brutal oppression of the Revolutionary Guards, and we need to remember that this is a society that hangs young girls on the flimsiest of excuses, in much the same way that Ireland banished them to the murderous laundry gulags operated by the merciless Sisters of Sexual Frustration.

Bastards.  Two countries scarred by a common insanity.  The filthy nexus where Christianity and Islam meet.

Ironically,  what we’re witnessing now is not far removed from the kind of things that the Shah”s Savak secret police used to get up to before Khomeini arrived from Paris, the hypocritical old perfume-fetishist.  I wonder what sort of costumes McQuaid used to climb into at night as he fantasised about the things he’d like to do to DeValera?

Two deeply fucked-up countries.  One common thread.  Priests.

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Comments (45)
  1.  

    Not so unheard of… there were these big student riots in Tehran in 2003, see here. But like it made no difference then, it will make no difference now as well, and the president is not the chief deciding function in Iran anyway.

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    You have to hand it to Ahmadinejad. Just two years after leading the Black Cats to the Premier Division – and keeping them in England’s top flight – he’s gone and got elected President ofIran. What a man. He’ll get the Tractor Boys promoted next, whilst building an auld atomic bomb on the side.

    Seperated at birth, Ahaminejad and Keano below

    http://www.niallh.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/roy-keane.jpg

    http://www.niallh.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ahmadinejad_soccer.jpg

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    I don’t agree with Ofer, for one the world is more linked now than it was in 2003, now there is the likes of youtube, texting and video phones all afore mentioned are used to great effect by the ordinary citizen to get their views out, can you imagine if the Tiananmen Square protest was held today, we would not need photographers in hiding, so with the internet firmly in place and the Israeli’s readying to invade with the help of the oh so benevolent USA Iran is in a no win situation and the people know it.

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    The clerics in Ireland had a great deal of control over society. Whats far worse in Iran though is the constitutional control the clerics have over government. Imagine in Ireland if the cardinal could say who can or can’t run for election or if he had the legal authority to veto any bill in the dail if he felt if were not in line with catholic principles. Thats the situation in iran today.

    I have heard this a lot the last few days. “sure we used to be just as bad”. I went to Iran in 2004 to do some research for my thesis which was about 1999 and 2003 student portests. The people I met had been beaten and battered off the streets and some had done time in prison where they were tortured. I can say proudly that we are not or never were as bad as those scumbags running that beautiful country. For all of Irelands faults we are a solid democracy. I think a genuine comparison between the two is invalid, unless it is just to say, “religion can be such bollox”.

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    It’s just people being people BOCK.

    ‘Stupid’ is the overriding and very normal human condition and it is that which allows the ‘priests’ et al to get to where they get to which is into a ‘controlling and powerful’ position and they really love all that control and power.
    It’s a little flaw in the human psyche, but it’s also a major one. I believe there will never be a change in the human desire for both of these little pleasure generators. Look at any Government and you’ll be looking at this in action. It’s a people thing.

    Remember ‘Animal Farm’? And tangentially, there’s the splinter and the log story, weird shit for sure.

    It’s the real challenge for future generations and not ‘Global Warming’ which is the great distraction and perhaps the greatest scam ever foisted on us.

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    Ted — I’m not equating them. I’m comparing the similarities.

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    Israel is not poised to invade Iran, Nero. What is going to happen is a series of air strikes like the ones that took out Iraq’s nuclear capabilities in 1981. No one in Israel advocated a ground incursion. Personally, I sometimes feel we should nuke the place and then deny it ever happened. We could even hold conferences on the subject.

    As for these elections: its important to remember that the majority of Iranians are under thirty and do not remember the Shah. They will not put up with one incompetent and twisted regime due to being reminded constantly about the Shah. Iran has the highest rates of drug addiction on earth. Mosque attendance among the young is actually very low in comparison to other Muslim countries. The youth flock to ‘X’ parties (raves) where they can get contraband alcohol. They listen to forbidden American music. The Islamic Revolution, therefore, will simply not survive another generation. This current trouble may not topple the system, as 2003 did not either, but the next set of tumultuous events will. The Ayatollahs days are numbered.

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    System; “Israel is not poised to invade Iran ”
    Just a few aul airstrikes eh ??
    What exactly constitutes an ” invasion ” in your world ?
    T he demonstrators in Iran are not calling for regime change but transparancy and integrity of the existing system.
    Also, a totally useless piece of information…….did you know that Iran has the highest no of trans gender ops in the world………………

  9.  

    thesystemworks said.. I feel we should nuke the place and then deny it ever happened….AND YOU GET OUTRAGED BY HOLOCAUST DENIAL!!!!!

  10.  

    I think that was an attempt at irony.

    It’s interesting to see that bombing is acceptable in System’s ethical framework, as long as it doesn’t involve foot-soldiers.

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    Bock; I think you are being too kind, or all chilled from travelling, but i don’t think it was an attempt at irony by System, i would think he does ” personally ” believe such atrocious action.

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    I think only the bit about holding a conference on it was meant to be ironic.I think the rest was genuine and the idea would be to portray Iran as having scored an own goal.Dangerous thinking like that is not unusual in Israel.

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    For goodness sake I was being sarcastic about nuking Iran and then denying it ever happened, I thought everybody would have gathered that from the conference reference. But then along came William who could take on Homer Simpson in the stupidity game.

    As for the air strikes, nobody would say that what happened in Operation Opera in taking out the reactors at Osirak constitutes an ‘invasion’. These nuclear sites tend to be further afield from civilian population centers, and I would totally support their destruction. We are all kidding ourselves if we think it is not going to happen soon.

    As for the the Iranian demographics, I think they are very relevant, Norma. Counter-revolutionary activities like these are rife, and do undermine the theocracy. The young people will simply tire of the system propping up Ahmedinijad.

  14.  

    I reckon you’d drop the big one TSW, that there’s a bit of a Harry Truman in you.

    TSW playing with his nukes, yesterday.

    http://www.superstock.co.uk/preview.asp?image=1097-325&imagex=2&id=36033&productType=3&pageStart=1&pageEnd=24&pixperpage=24&hitCount=55&filterForCat=&filterForFotog=

  15.  

    System I will keep to the comments policy of this site and will not respond to your personal insults,much as I would like to.Only you know exactly what you meant,the conferance bit is obvious sarcasm the rest is open to interpretation.Deception and subterfuge are as much weapons in the Israeli arsenal as merkava tanks and after all you would have us believe Hamas caused all the civilian deaths in Gaza in January and that the IDF were only innocent bystanders.So you can understand why any comments you make on anything would be regarded with suspicion.Also regarding Israeli subterfuge I might raise the.. USS Liberty..incident as an example or the running of spy rings in the USA .A strange activity to engage in towards your closest ally.Oh and yes we all know Israel is going to attack Iran.

  16.  

    Firstly, I never said Israel has not been responsible for civilian casualties in military operations.

    Secondly, the comment about nuking Iran was entirely sarcastic. You may not be able or willing to gather that by looking at the text. I refuse to use smileys so I’ll just have to live with the fact that some people are idiots.

    Thirdly: CONSPIRACY THEORY ALERT!!! Oh, William the disguise is slipping. I suppose you will be saying 9/11 was an Israeli job next. I refuse to argue on the USS Liberty point. Similarly I would refuse to debate whether the Shoah happened unless it was part of a wider debate on whether Elvis is still alive or whether Paul McCartney is dead and the guy we know is an impostor…. Stick to reading your wacademics in silence, the kind that serve as an academic refuge for the simple minded inclined to blame all problems on the Israeli/US bogeymen.

  17.  

    It’s interesting to observe the Western Media’s coverage of the events in Iran.
    The correlations between the so called “colour revolutions in The Ukraine and in Georgia, both funded by the National Endowment for Democracy, and the nomenclature that the events in Iran has gained, the “Green Revolution”, so quoted by Neoconservative Kenneth Timmerman who let the cat out of the bag that there was an orchestrated “color revolution” in the works. Before the election, Timmerman wrote: “there’s talk of a ‘green revolution’ in Tehran.” Why would protests be organized prior to a vote and announcement of the outcome? Organized protests waiting in the wings are not spontaneous responses to a stolen election.
    The above quote was taken from the Counterpunch site: http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts06222009.html.
    More from this site:
    “According to a wide variety of news sources (for example, London Telegraph, Yahoo News, The Globe and Mail, Asbarez.com, Politico), “Before the polling closed Mr. Mousavi declared himself ‘definitely the winner’ based on ‘all indications from all over Iran.’ He alleged widespread voting irregularities without giving specifics and hinted he was ready to challenge the final results.” Other news sources, which might not have been aware that the polls were kept open several hours beyond normal closing time in order to accommodate the turnout, reported that Mousavi made his victory claim the minute polls closed.

    Mousavi’s premature claim of victory before polling was over or votes counted is clearly a preemptive move, the purpose of which is to discredit any other outcome. There is no other reason to make such a claim.
    Timmerman’s organization, Foundation for Democracy, is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) for the explicit purpose of promoting democracy in Iran. According to Timmerman, NED money was funneled to “pro-Mousavi groups who have ties to non-governmental organizations outside Iran that the National Endowment for Democracy funds.”

    The US media has studiously ignored all of these highly suggestive facts. The media is not reporting or providing objective analysis. It is engaged in a propagandistic onslaught against the Iranian government.

    We know that the US funds terrorist organizations inside Iran that are responsible for bombings and other violent acts. It is likely that these terrorist organizations are responsible for the burning buses and other acts of violence that have occurred during the demonstrations in Tehran.

    A writer on pakalert.wordpress.com says that he was intrigued by the sudden appearance of tens of thousands of Twitter allegations that Ahmadinejad stole the Iranian election. He investigated, he says, and he reports that each of the new highly active accounts were created on Saturday, June 13th. “IranElection” is their most popular keyword. He narrowed the spammers to the most persistent: @StopAhmadi,
    @IranRiggedElect, and @Change_For_Iran. He researched further and found that On June 14 the Jerusalem Post already had an article on the new twitter. He concludes that the new Twitter sites are propaganda operations.

    One wonders why the youth of the world, who do not protest stolen elections elsewhere, are so obsessed with Iran.
    The unexamined question is Mousavi and his motives. Why would Mousavi unleash demonstrations that are obviously being used by a hostile West to discredit the government of the Iranian Revolution that overthrew the US puppet government? Are these the actions of a “moderate”? Or are these the actions of a disgruntled man who kept his disaffection from his colleagues in order to gain the opportunity to discredit the regime with street protests? Is Mousavi being manipulated by organizations funded with US government money?”

    Why Indeed…

  18.  

    Ah, the Gaelic Iranian apologists are out in force this week… Do you realise that Iran funds terrorists groups throughout the Middle East also, sir? They supply most of the IEDs for Iraqi insurgents to use via what is dubbed ‘Department 9000’, and supply militias in the country with the weapons to slaughter fellow Iraqis in sectarian violence. They fund Hezbollah, who do not even have the excuse of being occupied by a foreign power to use… I suppose you think the thousands of Iranians out on the streets and the players in their national soccer team wearing the green band are on the CIA payroll? Its amazing the amount of people in Ireland right now, who are not even Muslim but usually secular atheists who hate America and give their kids esoteric Irish names willing to defend the theocracy they would never want to live in.

    One cannot defend the actions of a present theocracy by pointing out the system it replaced. The commies did that all the time, emphasising how they liberated the people from the Czar. Pretty soon, no one will remember the Czar/Shah and will not buy the excuses… The Ayatollah will learn the hard way (hopefully with a bullet in the head in the style of an infamous Romanian tyrant)

  19.  

    System I will not reply to your posts after this one as I find you to be a totally irritating and obnoxious individual.Whenever your planes enter Iran I hope they become pretty fireballs in the Iranian sky.It will be interesting to see how the new Russian SAMs perform.

  20.  

    At least Israel has a military capable of doing more than filing lawsuits for hearing damage – the Irish military is probably the only one on earth that wears earmuffs in ceremonial gun salutes because of this.

  21.  

    System — Gaelic Iranian apologists?

    Will we ever see the day that you don’t dismiss people by labelling them? Will we ever see a comment from you that just addresses the issue without attacking the man?

    Or perhaps that’s just the Israeli way.

    Isn’t it amazing how a post on the Iranian elections has become dominated by your agenda? Let me tell you, that won’t last much longer.

  22.  

    Well, Israel was mentioned by somebody else before me, and that guy at (17) was a total apologist for the Ayatollah (he sums up the attitude of many here: if it ain’t American backed or friendly with Israel its a decent country). My primary ‘agenda’ was to bring to mind that the theocratic regime is not likely to last longer given the habits of the post-Shah generation and other factors. It bothers me that an Irish person would attack Mousavi for ‘discrediting’ the Islamic Revolution (why does that bother you? Are you an Islamist? Or do you just despise America and Israel so much you would back Attila the Hun if need be?)

    No one in these pro-democracy rallies advocates a different kind of totalitarian regime, in the same way someone who opposed Stalin was not necessarily a fan of the Czar. They want more freedoms and a cleaner electoral system (and, yes, some probably want to do away with the theocracy altogether, so they may not have Norma’s support…)

  23.  

    Isn’t it great that there’s no religious component to Israel’s government?

  24.  

    I have sarcasm detectors, Bock, unlike some others. Israel is very far from a theocracy. The minorities most infringed by the orthodox rabbinate are the progressive movements of Judaism. Israel has equal rights for gays, women and religious minorities (except non-recognised Jewish movements). You can be a gay Rastafarian alcoholic in Israel if you wish, and not have your life cut short by a beheading or stoning. I’d rather be an Arab in Israel than any of its neighbours. There is an Arab MK in Israel Beiteinu, for goodness sake – a man who wants to defend the state that has given him more rights and opportunities than any other in the Mid-East .

  25.  

    Nicely avoided.

    Do religious parties ever form part of israel’s ruling coalitions?

  26.  

    Yeah, but whats wrong with that? The frum are a major component of Israeli society, and are entitled to form political parties. Given the nature of Israeli democracy, they will inevitably end up in some coalitions, despite having a relatively small proportion of the seats. But hey, Ireland has had the PDs serve in major portfolios despite having about 1% of the votes…

  27.  

    There’s a lot wrong with religious vested interests influencing government, as we in Ireland know to our cost. Religion has no place in government in a democracy.

  28.  

    System ; while not wishing to stoop to your very tiresome nit picking and shallow defense, my comment 8 was merely relaying what spokespeople representing the demonstrators stated themselves, i believe my views on theocracy are plain, however, my dilemma is your total hypocrisy , it’s not ok then for Iran, to be an Islamic state, but it is ok for Israel to be a Jewish state ?
    It is not ok, with you for Iran to develop a nuclear facility, even if the say they do not have weapon grade nuclear capacity, but strangly it’s ok for Israel to have nuclear weapon grade capacity ?
    Rather than see Irish people here as ” gaelic Iranian apologists ” might we just happen to be reasonable people who do not wish to see any more death and destruction ?
    It is in fact extremly unlikely that Israel will attack Iran, unless they decide to go ahead without the support of Washington, as the U.S. presently controls all airspace over Iraq, how do you think Israeli fighter jets will get there ?
    It is not remotely in the interest of the US to support such madness, Israel wants military superority in the region and building hysteria about Iran will only bring extreme instability to the region and far beyond.
    And did you not know that ” young people ” the world over tire of everything, that’s their job.

  29.  

    Norma — I’ve delayed your comment for now. If you wouldn’t mind, could you please just leave it for a minute until System responds to my previous comment? Thanks.

  30.  

    Communist regimes have murdered and starved a lot more people than any Crusade, Inquisition and the like. Should Communists be allowed to form political parties and influence government? Does Judaism have something good to contribute to the realm of government? I think religion is better outside the power structure, but perhaps it has something to bring to the marketplace of ideas that isn’t automatically evil.

  31.  

    That doesn’t seem to be a response to the point.

    Do you think religion has a place in government?

  32.  

    Thats a huge area to get into – while I have libertarian leanings, I am not going to automatically crush the right of a religious group to form a political party to represent their interests. Yet I don’t think any law should have an exclusively religious underpinning – if I were to ban abortion, it would be on secular grounds and outside any particular religious dogma or philosophy.

  33.  

    It’s a simple question.

    Do you think religion has a place in government?

    Either you do or you don’t.

    It’s a yes or no.

    Which is it?

  34.  

    Well, I’ve said that a law should not be based on a particular religious dogma.

    But the question is not so simple. I mean, that Italian candidate for the justice portfolio at the European Commission (can’t remember the name) said that while his Catholic views compelled him to see homosexual acts as sinful, he would not make them illegal or legislate on the matter. He lost his job over his religious viewpoint, which I think is totally wrong. If you are an aggressive secularist you might say that religious people have no place in government. If that is what you mean by ‘religion in government’ then I would disagree with you. Religion plays a role in my thought, but I would not like to see the laws of this state reflecting my particular religious viewpoint. Secular, non-denominational and somewhat universal reasoning should underpin the laws we enact.

  35.  

    Let me be clear about what you say.

    Is it your position that religious views should not dictate what laws a government enacts?

  36.  

    That is my position, if a country wants the label of a liberal democracy – which I see as the best form of democracy and governance around.

  37.  

    So can I ask you how you feel about religious parties forming coalition governments in israel?

  38.  

    They are always the junior partners and want to protect the privileges given to them in the early days of the state (in fact, in the pre-state Yishuv). They have never gone beyond preserving Shabbat laws and the like. Abortion is still legal in Israel, as are all the niceties like sodomy and gay pride events. I would only use secular and more ‘universal’ reasoning to legislate on those issues.

    I support a Jewish homeland and the existence of a ‘Jewish’ state (despite the definition of that never really being formulated, outside of the necessity of a Law of Return) within the democratic framework, which does not adversely affect the rights of minorities.

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    How do you feel about religious parties in the government of other countries?

  40.  

    Jesus, a Jew, almost ironically, recognised the need to separate Church and State, when he was quoted as saying in the Bible, “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.” Our entire legal systems is founded on Jewish/Christians principles, and it has served us well. There have been many religious men operating within liberal democracies while paying heed to the “secular” advice of Jesus. JFK is one, addressing a Protestant congregation in Texas in 1960 before he was elected President – the Protestants were sceptical about whether he could make important national decision independent of Rome – he said: “For contrary to common newspaper usage, I am not the Catholic candidate for president. I am the Democratic Party’s candidate for president, who happens also to be a Catholic.” He added: “I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute, where no Catholic prelate would tell the president (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote; where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference.” Meantime, what unusual bedfellows western liberals embrace these days. Will Mir Hossein Mousavi, who lost the election to Ahmadinejad, but who claims that it was rigged, render unto Caesar? According to the Times, Mousavi is a man distinctly lacking in charisma. The former Prime Minister of Iran is an arch conservative who only a few weeks ago was berating women for “bad hijab” (wearing their headscarves too far back) when he was canvassing. The sixty seven year old architect played an active part in toppling the US backed Shah 30 years ago and was amongst Ayatollah Khomeneis inner circle. A man who tolerated little dissent, it is alleged that he was more conservative that Khomenei – which must be pretty dam conservative. Is he the man to lead Iran out of the theocracy.Iran of course is not far from Damascus, maybe he was travelling along that road recently and got hit by some strange light?

  41.  

    I feel the same way, that laws should not have a purely religious basis anywhere.

    I don’t advocate interventionism, though. I am against initiating force in general. However, when it comes to a physical attack on someone, like an assault, would you sit by idle as you get beaten to a pulp, if not killed? Of course not. And when it comes to a tyrannical figure oppressing and murdering millions, are you too to stand idle and do nothing? I hope you would hope you would not sit back and watch the slaughter. I would treat those countries like outlaws.

    However, the situation in Ian does not warrant this kind of action. Boycotts are good for a start, as are targeted killings of those government agents involved in supplying terrorist groups with arms, funding and training. This is the ideal policy to fight the ‘War on Terror’ in Iran. I only support Israel attacking Iran in a quick strike scenario to destroy the immediate nuclear threat.

    I support the War on Terror due to Al Qaeda initiating force on the United States. Therefore, I support military action in Afghanistan and Pakistan (but not Iraq, the invasion of which was outside its legitimate ambit) and support more ‘hawkish’ policies towards Iran and Syria, for their support of global jihadist groups.

  42.  

    Not a purely religious basis. Does that mean you’re comfortable with government having a partially religious basis?

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    No, they should not use the tenets of one religion to justify themselves.

  44.  

    Abdul, the Western left are those most skeptical towards Mousavi. They are the most eager defenders of Islamist regimes as they tend to oppose their pet hates, the US and Israel. Just look at George Galloway, a white atheist who has imams telling their followers to vote for him. That French sociologist and philosopher Michel Foucault backed the Islamic Revolution and the Ayatollah to the hilt, because he regarded it as an assault on the Enlightenment and the West he despised so much. And this man gets eminently praised by our professors of Jurisprudence and Criminology (overwhwlmingly anti-Israel also) when he should be shunned an paid no attention at our universities.

    Its the self-loathing bourgeoisie of Europe that have never had any love for democracy, and swing from one romantic notion to the other (fascism, Communism…) who now embrace the notion of the noble revolutionary Arab fighting imperialism…. Of course, those Arabs are not fighting for freedom, but for tyranny (a la Che Guevara) and backwardness. They are not their to bring positive regime change about in Israel, they want to destroy it and murder any infidel standing in their way. Even the Arab ‘moderates’ like Abu Mazen are a scary lot – his doctorate thesis in the Soviet Union was a Holocaust-denying work.

  45.  

    There’s a lot of denial in the Middle East and it isn’t all among Arabs.

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