Willie O’Dea and the False Statement

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Feb 162010
 

Let’s get the facts.

Maurice Quinlivan, a politician in Limerick, questioned the fact that six public servants were assigned to deal with Minister Willie O’Dea’s  constituents.

O’Dea reacted to that criticism by making the following remark to a Limerick Chronicle journalist, Mike  Dwane.

“I suppose I’m going a bit too far when I say this, but I would like to ask Mr Quinlivan is the brothel still closed?”

He also asked the journalist “Do you know the brothel they found in his name and in his brother’s name ..?”

Maurice Quinlivan issued defamation proceedings against Willie O’Dea, and in response, O’Dea submitted a sworn affidavit to the High Court denying that he had ever made such a remark.

The purpose of the affidavit was to persuade the court to reject Maurice Quinlivan’s action.

“I most categorically and emphatically deny that I said to Mr Dwane that the plaintiff was the owner of the said apartment”

Based on the statements made in the affidavit, the court rejected Quinlivan’s application.

Later, when Dwane’s recording of the interview proved that he had actually made the defamatory remarks, O’Dea withdrew his affidavit.

Get that now.  Willie O’Dea, minister for defence, categorically and emphatically denied that he had made such a statement, even though it would later transpire that he had indeed made such a statement.

By definition, the statement, which was untrue, misled the High Court.  The court made its decision based on the incorrect information supplied to  it in Willie’s affidavit.  Willie O’Dea misled the High Court, and yet is still walking around a free man.

If I submitted a sworn, untrue statement to the High Court, I might expect to be in jail right now, but Willie O’Dea believes he has done nothing wrong.

Not only does Willie think this, but so does our Prime Minister and our Minister for Justice, both of whom came out to defend him.

Here’s an interesting thing.  All three are lawyers, of a sort, and all three ought to know better, unlike me.  As I said, if I deceived the High Court, I’d be in jail, but when a trained lawyer and government minister does so, he gets a fool’s pardon.

Why is that?

Willie has subsequently compounded the original outrage by attempting to mislead our national parliament, and worse still, by taking us all for fools and insulting our intelligence.

Speaking in the Dáil today, Willie said that he hadn’t lied on oath but had made a mistake.

Does Willie think we’re all idiots?

He forgot that he had accused somebody of owning a brothel.  It slipped his mind, but luckily, when the journalist’s recording appeared, Willie had his memory jogged.

Damn, now that you mention it, maybe I did say he and his brother ran a brothel.  Well I never! Thank God for recording technology!

As soon as he discovered his mistake, Willie said, he had moved to rectify it.

This is almost right.

What really happened is this: as soon as he was challenged, Willie started bullshitting, and it seems that, having successfuly bullshitted the High Court, he’s now working on a bullshit job for the Dáil and the people of Ireland.

How do you forget that you accused somebody of operating a brothel?

Willie has offered the defence that Maurice Quinlivan accepted the statement was a mistake, but Qunlivan is not an officer of the court, or a judge.  He was simply one of the litigants, and he has no competence to decide on the matter.  That’s a matter for the courts to determine.

Willie has claimed that this incident had nothing to do with his ministerial duties, and in making such a statement has exposed his own moral bankruptcy and that of the party he represents.  To Willie, and Biffo and Dermot Ahern, there is nothing wrong with a government minister misleading the High Court.

This has everything to do with his role as a government minister, and the very fact that he denies it reveals a profound failure to understand what a democracy is.

This is terrifying.

If people in such positions of power – the minister for defence, the minister for justice and the prime minister –  have such contempt for one of the pillars of our democracy, will they stop at anything?  These are the three people best placed to impose martial law on a restive population, and none of them has the slightest respect for the rule of law.

Have these people, at long last, no sense of decency?

On the evidence before us, Ireland is not a democracy.

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  1.  

    Mature recollection strikes again?

  2.  

    Mr James Hamilton DPP is no doubt following this story with the keenest interest. I am sure he also followed the evidence of Berite,Tom The Block Bailey and several other Fianna Fail worthies that was given in various courts and tribunals. In fact he must have a pretty full file on this kind of stuff .No doubt, James Hamilton and Fachtna Murphy have spend hours pouring over the files. But does the DPP exist? Where is he? Fianna Fail’s other friends, Seanie and Fingers must be shaking in their boots, waiting for a knock on the door.

    What we have is a regime. There is no democracy and therefore no pillars of democracy. Just members of a regime now entrenched in every sector of Irish society.

  3.  

    They covered the story on prime time this evening but Mr Willie O Dea although asked to appear was unable to attend….. I wonder why?

  4.  

    And well done Bock for putting the facts down. They speak for themselves.

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    oh I’d love to start now on the corruption that’s rife in this country! Between the Justice Department, DPP, Politicians and not to mention the Catholic Church! I know someone that’s being subjected to what I would call a witch hunt! (and I’m not referring to John Devanes’ comments in relation to his civil case against certain Garda Siochana in Limerick! ). This country is a bloody disgrace and I know someone being subjected to extreme intimidation by the Gardai and the only way they can get at this individual is to tweak and force to prosecutute them for making a false statement (according to the Gardai that is). They have been threatened for a long time by a group of individuals that are supposed to serve and protect it’s citizens, because this individual made a complaint agains to of them. One particular person, high ranking, made a threat that they were going to destory this individuals career and reputation and would stop at nothing to get them in front of a Judge. This country is a frigging joke.

  6.  

    Why do we get shocked let alone surprised by the antics of this party. Charlie, Bertie, Cullen, Bourke, Biffo and now Dillie O’Wea have all thumbed their noses at our democratic system and way of life. FF will form the next goverment, we get the government we deserve.

    PS The appartment in question was in the name of Mr.Quinlivans brother, Nessan. How did Nessan come to own an appartment given his shyness towards gainful employment and his taste for rest at taxpayers expense?

  7.  

    No 8 — As you’ll know, being a long-time visitor to this site, I have no liking for Sinn Féin, and would have no inclination to support them. Therefore, if you don’t mind, we’ll confine this discussion to Willie O’Dea’s affidavit, since it’s irrelevant who the other party was.

  8.  

    Apologies Bock, no hijacking intended.

  9.  

    Not a problem. It’s important to keep the focus where it belongs.

  10.  

    Tumbrel cart has it right IMO. I’m concerned that the fact that O’Dea paid off Quinlivan and came to an agreement with him doesn’t negate the fact. What went on between O’Dea and Quinlivan was a civil matter. Perjury is a criminal matter, where are the voices in the media calling for the DPP to prosecute what looks like a clear cut 24 carat case of perjury?

    EDIT: Apart from Michael Clifford in the Tribune on Sunday who juxtaposes this against the case of Roy Behan who withdrew evidence due to death threats and got a years jail. http://www.tribune.ie/news/editorial-opinion/article/2010/feb/14/michael-clifford-roy-behan-gave-false-evidence-to-/

  11.  

    Here is a link to scans of the affidavit that O’Dea was forced to withdraw

    http://twitpic.com/photos/theaffidavit2

    Notice how he refers to his position as a cabinet minister.

  12.  

    The Fine Girl party, who hire people on leave of absence from RTE so the electorate are enticed into wasting 25,000 vote, will table a motion of no confidence in Willie next week.

  13.  

    Nessan Quinlivan has been out of Jail for nearly 20 years.Plenty of time to save up and buy an apt. esp. when one considers they were not all that dear in Limerick. I think you’ll have to try harder to derail this, ya FF troll.

    The abuse of his ministerial position, in the affidavit is truly disgusting. Of course, it is hardly to be considered unusual in an Irish court or Irish politics. The defense in the Dáil today, only added to the repulsive nature of this story.

    I’m starting to hate this state with a passion.

  14.  

    Bock, thanks for putting the facts down. The mind boggles. How would you feel about leading the revolution? Someone has to.

  15.  

    “The abuse of his ministerial position, in the affidavit is truly disgusting. Of course, it is hardly to be considered unusual in an Irish court or Irish politics. The defense in the Dáil today, only added to the repulsive nature of this story.”

    Quite unlike anything Martin or Gerry have ever done.. Qunlivan was on the run from ’91 to ’93. He then did 4 years for arms offences. Out in ’97 he fought extradition to the UK until the early ’00s. You’re right plenty of time for honest toil and savings.

    As for me being a FF troll, read a bit. Sorry Bock.

  16.  

    “Quite unlike anything Martin or Gerry have ever done.. Qunlivan was on the run from ‘91 to ‘93. He then did 4 years for arms offences. Out in ‘97 he fought extradition to the UK until the early ’00s. You’re right plenty of time for honest toil and savings.”

    More FF trolling.

    What have your comments got to do with the issue of Willie O’Dea being caught out giving false evidence to the High Court?

    I suggest that you print out Willie’s affidavit and read it out at your next FF cuman meeting.

    Willie is caught by the short & curlies and no amount of distraction about Senator Regan’s or Clr Quinlivan’s brothers will get him off the hook.

    Play it as dirty as you like, but this time its Goodnight Willie!

  17.  

    And gormless Gormley sees nothing wrong with it either so it must be ok then..

  18.  

    Tom

    Drop this “FF troll” nonsense please. If you were a long-term reader you would know that No 8 is anything but a FF supporter.

    The post is about Willie O Dea, not about Nessan Quinlivan. Please stick to the subject.

  19.  

    Bock,

    I am not the one who first brought up the business of Nessan Quinlivan

    Apologies if my FF troll comment caused offence.

  20.  

    Right again Bock, people are not sticking to the real issue.

    ““I most categorically and emphatically deny that I said to Mr Dwane that the plaintiff was the owner of the said apartment””
    “O’Dea submitted a sworn affidavit to the High Court denying that he had ever made such a remark”.

    Now if I were the non partisan judge that received that affadavit…….

  21.  

    Just a note of clarification, Willie O Dea is Minister for Defence, not Justice.

    We have no culture, politically in this country for resignations. Maybe O’Dea could be the first in living memory to resign before being hounded out of office. Either way, he has no place in Government, and indeed I seem to remember Jonathan Aitken in the UK being jailed for misleading a court, likewise that other scrote Jeffrey Archer.

  22.  

    Transcript of the tape that caught Willie O’Dea out

    Willie O’Dea: …while occasionally we send out letters to planning applicants we have never been involved with anyone who shot anybody, or robbed banks, or kidnapped people. I suppose I’m going a bit too far when I say this but I’d like to ask Mr Quinlivan is the brothel still closed?”

    Mike Dwane: Is the brothel still closed?

    Willie O’Dea: Is the brothel still closed?

    Mike Dwane: What brothel is that Willie?

    Willie O’Dea: Do you know the brothel they found in his name and in his brother’s name down in Clancy Strand?

    Mike Dwane: I never heard about that.

    Willie O’Dea: Did you not hear that? You better check your sources. There was a house owned by him that was rented out and they found two ladies of the night operating in there in the last couple of weeks.

    Mike Dwane: Right. The other one I wanted to ask you about Willie was were you disappointed to see Noreen Ryan in the witness box?

    Willie O’Dea: I don’t want to talk about that……………………………

    .

  23.  

    Robert — I don’t think anyone said Willie was the minister for justice. However, a little birdy tells me he could well end up with the Finance portfolio, and I joke not when I say this.

  24.  

    He will not be getting the finance portfolio after this debacle.

  25.  

    God fucking spare us if what you say is true Bock.

    Can anyone tell us more about this Noreen Ryan mentioned in the transcript? I hear rumours that she may have a defamation or other legal case against O’Dea in the offing and that the rush to get this done and dusted in the Dáil today is to stop more revelation coming out over the weekend. Does anyone kow anything about this?

  26.  

    “Can anyone tell us more about this Noreen Ryan mentioned in the transcript? I hear rumours that she may have a defamation or other legal case against O’Dea in the offing and that the rush to get this done and dusted in the Dáil today is to stop more revelation coming out over the weekend. Does anyone kow anything about this?”

    I head that story as well.

    http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/It39s-war-Minister-O39Dea-V.4760933.jp

  27.  

    What’s the difference in “minister for justice” and “Minister for Justice”? I’m confused……..

  28.  

    My mistake. Apologies. I should have said “Defence”.

  29.  

    He’s won the vote of confidence. No surprise there then.

  30.  

    One of the most disgusting days in the History of this country.

  31.  

    Minister scores in Dail brothel.

  32.  

    Car crash radio for the Greens.

    Green representative Trish Forde Brennan V Clr Maurice Quinlivan on Newstalk radio today. Well worth listening to right to the end.

    http://www.newstalk.ie/programmes/all/lunchtime/controversy-surrounds-willie-odea

  33.  

    Bock. What say you? Willie O`Dea as the Minister for Finance? You shit us surely! With massive piles of shit! Has the planet lost all reason? Have we all started to inhale nitrous oxide? No fucking way will I stay in this new version of EireNarnia in 2010, if that lying, pejorative, tiny little excuse of a man becomes minister for finance. Lenihan is not that far gone surely that Clowan needs to put that lying little nothing, into a position as Finance minister. Please God, hear us now. All of Ireland prays to you to deliver us from a purgatory where Willie O`Dea is the Minister for Finance. All hope will be lost. The world will turn their back on us and surely heaven too. It is simply impossible, and no human taxpayer should have to bear Willie O`Dea as anything other than writing articles for some little rag that we can use to start fires with.

  34.  

    Listen to 33`s link please, as indicative as to what runs our country. The green rep Trish sounded like she has been taught to debate by Bertie. Stutter for an hour to gain time to think, and then provide an answer from Mars, totally unrelated to the question, hoping that you can baffle the interviewer with bullshit or bore them (or us) to death. Maybe she is just retarded ( she sounds like it) and can`t understand the hosts questions (what`s the question?). Refuses to comment? O`Dea made a mistake? Is this woman on drugs? A Minister who lies like this, in an affidavit, made a mistake! Do the country a favour and drown yourself.
    P.S check out BBC Hardtalk when the interviewer put Mary Coughlan on the spot, showing us just how juvenile our Ministers actually are! This interview is what RTE should be doing. Oh, I forgot, they get paid by the government (or is that us) and stop when Ministers get too uncomfortable. Take heed RTE this is what our money should be paying for, not your half hearted attempts at asking childish questions
    http://thestory.ie/2010/02/15/mary-coughlan-on-bbc-hardtalk/

  35.  

    Down that’s the fucking Greens for ya. Fucks sake they give Sleveens a bad name the hypocritical cunts.

    Oh and Dan Boyle is doing his usual playing both sides of the fence shite, saying that wee willie is “compromised” after the vote has been taken. Not half as compromised as the Greens reputation.

  36.  

    I’m simply telling you what I hear in the sphere. They say that Willie will get the finance job if Brian Lenihan becomes too ill to continue. In support of this, they’re all convinced that Wilie has some accountancy qualification, but I have yet to establish precisely what that qualification might be. If anyone knows, they might pass on the information.

    They might also pass on details of Willie’s career as a barrister. What cases did he work on? Who did he represent? I’m somewhat deprived of facts on this matter too.

    When Bertie Ahern wanted to be minister for finance, he convinced them that he was an accountant, although in fact he was a book-keeper to a crowd of nuns, and he also claimed that he went to the London School of Economics, which might have been true but only in the sense of delivering a pound of sausages to the canteen.

    That’s Fianna Fáil for you.

  37.  

    Willie is indeed a qualified accountant, in fact I believe he once was a teacher of the subject. He never practices one case as a barrister though and his membership has since lapsed of the bar itself. Rather luckily for the Bar council I would imagine? Now they don’t have to comment on one of their members when clearly they cannot condone what he did.
    On the subject of erroneous qualifications didn’t Michael Smith [Willie’s predecessor in defence] claim to have a degree from UCC dating 1963 only for the admissions office in Cork to say a few years ago he never even got into the college much less attended!!! Some chancers.

    Willie really has to go for this, if it were anyone else bar a SF candidate he slagged off he’d be long gone

  38.  

    Lads, ye should lay off Willy. He’s done a lot for the local community and is a hell of a nice guy. His door is always open and he always has a sunny smile and a hello for everyone. We need more good men like Willy. I don’t believe a word of this post. Willy doesn’t lie.
    Our club needed our carpark tarmaced and we were told there was no government budget for this as the carpark already had tarmac on it but Willy found the money somewhere so he did.
    Come on now, lads, get behind our government. Yeah they’ve made some mistakes but they’re great really.

  39.  

    CS, I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic or not, but in case you’re serious…
    The parochial attitude to TDs in Ireland has us wrecked as a country.
    I would rather that my tax euros were used to tar the bloody roads than a club car park!!!!!
    Willie is totally wrong to tar your club car park!!!!
    He should be working for our country, not constituents’ clubs.

    Back on topic – should he still be a TD for what he did?
    Should he still be a cabinet member?
    Should he be in jail?

  40.  

    Just listened to a voxpop on RTE from Limerick about what the people of Limerick think of O`Dea now. Very similar to the views expressed on Bishop Murray. We won`t condemn one of our own etc. There must be something inthe water down there. Ye should change the name of your river from de Shannon to de Nile. Honesty is in short supply down there. One notable exception however appears to be Jerry Flannery who fucked up, put his hands up and is taking his medicine. An honourable Limerick man.

  41.  

    Is it legal to record a conversation without a persons knowledge?

  42.  

    Mel — Would you like to reconsider that sweeping statement about our honesty in Limerick, or do you base all your opinions on vox-pops?

  43.  

    Ah now, Mel. What are you on about? Are you saying that Jerry Flannery is the only honest Limerick man? Really? Bertie Aherne is honest as the day is long, is he? Charlie Haughey was a man of impeccable intergrity? Was it only Limerick people that returned a vote of confidence in Willy? Do you really know what you’re talking about, Mel?

  44.  

    “You better check your sources”, now where did I hear that before Bock?. You seem a tad sensitive Bock. You`re not in mourning for Willie already?

  45.  

    Willies gone, no loss. Primetime to show reaction from his constituency. I solemnly promise to close my eyes and put my fingers in ny ears Bock. For the record I was drawing the paralell between the hear no evil see no evil attitude of Willie`s and the bishop`s supporters. If that is reflective of all Limerick people it says little for Limerick. I have nothing against the honest people of Limerick and prepared to sign an affidavit to that fact.
    Cap`n`P it was Limerick people who elected Willie, surely ye have better to offer.

  46.  

    Yes, Mel, and my point remains valid. Are you saying that he’s the only arsehole politician who has been elected. Is it only Limerick people who elect idiots or does it happen everywhere? If so, maybe you should stand for election.

  47.  

    good riddance willie.
    This happens all the time in this country where politicians can make unfounded allegations against other candidates and get away with it.
    Only for that tape Quinllivan would still have that spurilous claim hanging over him and his family.
    Then the Govt still have the temerity to defend O dea when he has clearly stuck two fingers up to the Judicial system in this country.
    Sooner we get rid of this circus Govt the better.

  48.  

    Mel — I had to go out, which accounts for the delay in replying.

    Now I’d just like to check something with you . Can you please advise me on what information you based the statement that honesty in Limerick is in short supply?

    Will you draw similar conclusions about the people who elected Bertie Ahern, Ray Burke, Michael Lowry or Liam Lawlor? How about just admitting that honesty is in short supply thoughout Ireland, instead of creating artificial distinctions between Limerick and the rest of this corrupt little state?

  49.  

    “I was drawing the paralell between the hear no evil see no evil attitude of Willie`s and the bishop`s supporters. If that is reflective of all Limerick people it says little for Limerick.” ,,,,,,( as protrayed on RTE Vox-pops) Asked and answed Bock. Thats it in a nutshell, Maybe RTE are out to make ye look bad. Limerick people in my experience are no different than people all over Ireland. Ye have the good, the bad and the ugly
    In relation to the election of dodgy politicians, it seems to be a national pass time.

    Was in Limerick the other day, grand place. No one attempted to rob or kill me or bring me to a closed brothel. One guy I met definetly lied to me though.

  50.  

    Mel- You made a categorical statement: Honesty is in short supply down there.

    Are you now confirming that you have no basis for this generalisation?

  51.  

    Bock substitute honesty for moral courage if you wish in relation to the blind and deaf followers of Murray and O`Dea. This parochial attitude – He may be a bastard, buts hes our bastard – prevails. in the context of the post the remark was qualified. For the last time I have no problem with the honest people of Limerick.

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