GRA President’s Speech

Police challenge corrupt government

Here’s what Michael O’Boyce, president of the Garda Representative Association, said in his controversial speech.

When the Minister for Justice, Dermot Ahern, read the text, he decided not to attend the GRA conference, and pulled out his officials as well.

I’m not surprised.  This government has always been averse to the truth.  I have emphasised the comments about the government’s handling of the economy to which Ahern took such exception, as well he might.  It’s never pleasant to be exposed for what you are.

One quibble: I can’t help noticing the element of hypocrisy in all this.  Now that the Gardai have realised the scale of theft this government has inflicted on our country, maybe they might not be so enthusiastic in protecting the robbery of our national resources.

Leaving that aside, O’Boyce is simply stating what a majority of people are now coming to believe: this government is corrupt, and has been bought by big business.  After all, they’d rather waste 25 billion saving the Anglo bondholders than invest the money to save Irish jobs.  What would you call that, if not corruption?

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Speech:

[Minister] I welcome you to the 32nd Annual Delegate Conference of the Garda Representative Association. I accept your non-attendance last year was due to circumstances beyond your control, but was disappointed you did not make greater effort to fulfil our invitation to attend the conference dinner.

At conference last year I called for the embargo on promotions to be lifted. I thank the Minister for Finance for heeding the call and I’m glad to say that practically all the members of the Garda Representative Association who should have been promoted last year now are.

At conference last year I said, “This government is driving experience out of An Garda Síochána. A rising number of members of all ranks who could and who want to continue to serve this country are considering retirement.” Sadly my words proved to be correct. In one garda division alone, numbers are down by 20 in recent months.

At conference last year I spoke about the mothballing of the Garda College. Disgracefully, there are no students in the college – for the first time in its history. Due to government policy there will be no students in the Garda College for a long time to come. An Garda Síochána is contracting by the direct action of the government; experience is being driven out and no new blood coming in. This is pushing the Force to the brink of disaster.

An effective police force needs continuity, a principle tried and tested the world over but ignored in Ireland. In these uncertain times the public needs to know that there will be adequate frontline gardaí for them. Garda numbers will fall again by the end of 2010. The people of Ireland should rightly demand garda recruitment is taken away from government because it is misused as an election gimmick. It is far too important for that. The Garda Representative Association will continue to campaign for an end to this obnoxious trick.

For the past year and a half, gardaí and other public sector workers have endured an unrelenting, distasteful and vitriolic attack from the government and their wealthy cronies. This was distasteful and unbelievable considering the role garda take in society. It most definitely verged on incitement to hatred. The attacks were orchestrated to demonise and marginalise public sector workers. They were designed to drive a wedge between public and private sector workers.

But the ancient tactic of divide and conquer did not succeed, except with those misguided souls who contact daytime radio talk shows. They were primed to deflect attention away from the ‘national saboteurs’.

We are angry, we have been betrayed and we are disillusioned. But I do not believe it is yet understood just how angry we are. And that anger will find an outlet, the anger that we feel will find its target.

We are angry at being portrayed as self-serving, overpaid, under-worked and dishonest people with overly generous pensions that we don’t pay for. Yes, there are public servants who fit into that category; they are represented by you and your colleagues, not us.

We are angry that we, our children and our children’s children have been sacrificed by this government to protect the people who bankrolled your party and robbed the Irish People. Men like Fingers and Seanie were held up by government as examples of entrepreneurial skill and business acumen but who were nothing more than ‘gombeen’ men.

We are angry at the arrogance of a government corrupted by years of power has lost touch with the reality of life on a modest salary; if they ever knew it at all. A government whose only agenda is to protect the economic traitors.

We are angry at being lectured by government on the need to be patriotic. A patriot is ‘a person who vigorously supports his country and its way of life.’ This government is misusing what it means to be Irish as they support a new aristocracy created in their image. This new aristocracy chooses whether to retain state pensions while still working as public representatives, using all means to spend vast resources on the few, while taking pay from the majority. This government have created a new class system; one that does not value our service and dedication.

We are angry about NAMA. No, not the entity set up by government to bail out developers and speculators who reneged on their debts, the cost of which you have placed on the shoulders of generations of Irish workers to come. Yes, we are angry about that, but, I am talking about the NAMA that the government is, The National Assets Mismanagement Agency.

The government of which you are a long serving member has mismanaged the wealth of this country for more than a decade by allowing our assets to be plundered and robbed by bankers and speculators and you are making generations of Irish workers pay the price for this treachery. You did this because bankers and speculators have bought your party, and in return you have sacrificed the greater good and prosperity of the Irish Nation for the benefit of the few – the few who have now taken their ill-gotten gains and secured them in tax haven around the world. Truly, a government of national sabotage.

In the face of the unwarranted attack by the government on the workers and unemployed of this country the Garda Representative Association has stood head and shoulders above other trade unions. We have shown leadership, temerity, tenaciousness and courage. We have lead from the front.

The Central Executive Committee picketed Dáil Eireann. No government minister or TD had the courage to come out and meet us. We led 4,000 of our members on a march to the Dáil. Once again no government minister had the courage to come out to us. We joined the 24/7 Frontline Services Alliance. No minister had the courage to tell us we shouldn’t be part of that alliance. They knew the answer that we would have given them.

On the 7th December 2009 we announced that we were going to ballot our members on industrial action. I have no doubt the announcement saved our allowances from the hatchet.

You Minister came out fighting, saying you were going to arrest and jail the CEC, and forgetting that you hadn’t the power. Then you threatened to seize the assets of the GRA; believing your own frenzy you went on to threaten to arrest the printers and the postal workers. As we know none of this happened – except the issuing of the ballot.

What the GRA said we would do, we did. What you, Minister, said you wouldn’t allow, you couldn’t stop.

An ‘away win’ for the Garda Representative Association.

The GRA has now set forth on a course to become a full trade union. Minister, you have said that we will never achieve that status. That is the second leg. And when, in the near future, the GRA achieves trade union status, it will be the home win.

55 thoughts on “GRA President’s Speech

  1. Brilliant, for the most part. It is typical of this government to avoid the difficult questions. A hell of a lot of Gards are overpaid and underworked but that’s another rant for another day.

  2. And now we have that wanker Collins from West Limerick demanding that O’Boyce be sacked. What has this country come to when we can demand the sacking of a Union representative for voicing his opinion and that of the rest of the membership. (I know the GRA is not an official trade union but to all intents and purposes that’s what it is). Are we going back to the dark ages or forward to the new FF enlightenment?

  3. He’s right about the Government, but it appears that his indignation can be assuaged by a reversed pay cut and promotions for the boys. Anyone else worried about the state allowing the GRA to become a trade union? Look at how the government runs scared of tackling the ESB workers, because of the power they have to shut down the electrical supply. Multiply that power by 10, or maybe 100, and you have the power of the Gardaí if the state does not stand up to them. We will have a police state if we are not careful. If an army strikes it is known as mutiny, and rightly held as a very serious matter. The Gardaí are not much different, and should not be allowed to strike.

  4. That’s true, and as you know, this site has often been extremely critical of the Gardai. They should not have the right to strike, and they’re already indisciplined enough in the cavalier way they treat citizens and in their misuse of confidential information.

    However, the points he makes about government corruption are still valid.

  5. Look at how the government runs scared of tackling the ESB workers, because of the power they have to shut down the electrical supply, writes Essodee – tell me about it.

  6. Howdya mean Seconds – do you want me to actually tell you about it, or are you indicating your agreement?

  7. Can the members of this government and it’s cronies not be convicted under the ‘Offences Against The state Act’? This is not a joke. Surely the way that they are treating the population that they are meant to protect in order that they can treat favourably their wealthiest benafactors, some of whom don’t even live in this country, is a crime under that legislation. The bankers withheld information that has proven to damage the state under either section five or section nine of ‘ the offences against the state act’. Of course for IRA members or everyday working class criminals this legislation applies, but for friends of Fianna Fail it is but a blip on their character that goes down as “an error of judgement”. The actions of the two Brians will sink this country and propell it toward anarchy. When that happens, the thieves will leave like Batista’s rats; heading for Switzerland where so many of them already nest.

  8. am refering to probs a friend of mine had with the ESB in an earlier post Esso, agreed with you.

  9. Brave and brilliant speech in fairness.

    We should not, however, lose sight of the fact that many gardai are very well paid and have a long list of perks for attending court etc.. Their pensions can be generous too. For the budget to balance, they and other public servants need to work hard for less.

  10. @EssoDee

    ‘Police state’?

    I think you’ll find a police state is not a state run by the police but one in which all dissent is ruthlessly crushed by a political police force. The police in such a system are certainly well taken care of, but equally certainly they are never allowed for form independent trades unions.

    So I’d welcome the full unionisation of the Gardaí. That would be a protection against a police state.

    And Micheal O’Boyce’s intervention was one of the more hopeful things to happen in this country for in the last couple of weeks.

  11. I don’t hold a torch for the Gardaí particularly – the Morris Tribunal showed just what they can, and probably still do, get up to without oversight. And some individuals can be egregious bollixes. (What is the plural of bollix – or is it a plural noun?)

    But the transformation of the armed, political RIC into the largely unarmed, civilian Garda Síochána was one of the things this botched Republic got right.

  12. I take your point re my incorrect terminology Pope, but I’d like to hear more re why you would welcome unionisation. Would you also be glad to see PDFORRA, the soldiers representative body, become a union? as I’ve said, given the way the unions who run vital services (I know, officially they dont run them, but in reality…) can hold the country to ransom, e.g. ESB, I would definitely not welcome potentially far more powerful groups gaining similar leverage. Especially a force which is recognised to be thoroughly corrupt.

  13. So far as I can make out, coverage seems to be more concerned with the fact that spoke, and not the details of what he said. The same with responses from sundry senators, back-benches, etc. Isn’t that what they in the business call a snow-job?

  14. There is also a danger if a potential Gardai Union decide to support a certain politician or party who they favour.
    Too many possible conflicts of interest. Mind you, if we don’t treat them right.. well lads, there might be corrruption (not the same as stealing because you’re poor though)

  15. May be the beginning of a peat moss – aka velvet – revolution.

    and to Pope Epopt – the plural of – bollix is bollices – pronounced bolisays

  16. Odd how this thread has changed from a matter of Political corruption being identified and thought about into Trade Union bashing.. If F.F. and their “Green dog waging tails” are not very careful I suspect the Army and most of the Citizens may take some totally different action.

  17. @EssoDee. I’m not sure about PDFORRA.

    And I thought the ESB, Health service etc. were controlled by their management. If unions have negotiated some say in management decisions, that’s all to the good, because the people on the ground delivering services often know more about the business than management, in my experience.

    @C’est La Craic. You’re right. It’s definitely important the Gardaí as a collective entity, or in their individual professional roles, are not involved in supporting one politician over another. But there’s nothing to stop a Trades Union constitution explicitly outlawing this.

  18. @Haymoon

    Thanks for the linguistic input.

    ‘An utter shower of bollices’. Rolls off the tongue. I shall use it often.

  19. Fantastic speech.
    I love the way that he really put it up to that Minister!
    I wish that others would follow.
    I too have felt the incitement to hatred that he talks about.
    It is misplaced.
    Our anger and hatred needs to focus on the people who have wrecked our country, not the people who “run” the country – i.e. the people who run the country are not the Government, but the gardaí, the teachers, nurses, social workers, firemen etc…

  20. Heard Niall Collins TD on the radio, calling for O’Boyce to be sacked.. Niall said, “he has charged the government with robbery, corruption and national sabotage which are very serious accusations and allegations to make and you cannot have that in a democracy in this day and age”.. Niall you are a total and utter plonker. Very serious accusations and allegations that happen to be true. Niall.. take your head out of your arse. You don’t give a fuck about the ordinary citizen. I could gather that, having spoken to you once for five minutes from your arrogant tone and demeanor. You’re just worried for yourself and your cronies Niall.. plonker. Here’s to hoping yer days are numbered.

  21. they are all a bunch of twats, it’s always a case of the ‘pot calling the kettle black’.
    and then we have Murph declaring today that the Gardai in Limerick are brilliant, praising the arses off them like, trying to deflect from the bitch fight :)

  22. Try and stay with the subject. It’s about the president of the GRA criticising the government. We have plenty of time and space to examine the police in other threads.

  23. Mairéad
    Our anger and hatred needs to focus on the people who have wrecked our country, not the people who “run” the country – i.e. the people who run the country are not the Government, but the gardaí, the teachers, nurses, social workers, firemen etc…

    You must surely have missed all members of Trade Unions? It was all of the above who gave billions of our and our children’s, grand children’s, great grand children’s Taxes to speculators who gambled and lost. But no, as friends of F.F. they lost nothing we did.

    O’Boyce told it as it is. The filth that are responsible for the destruction of Ireland are relying on the notion as written. “It is not our fault it’s there’s” .

  24. Mairéad

    “ not the Government, but the gardaí, the teachers, nurses, social workers, firemen etc…”

    You must surely have missed all members of Trade Unions? It was all of the above who gave billions of our and our children’s, grand children’s, great grand children’s Taxes to speculators who gambled and lost. But no as friends of F.F. they lost nothing we did.

    O’Boyce told it as it is. The filth that are responsible for the destruction of Ireland are relying on the gullibility of the voters “It is not our fault it’s there’s” .

  25. I love the way he lambasted the minister for failing to give the Guardians of the Peace the proper means and powers to keep said peace…..oh wait, sorry, he DIDN’T.

    Is it perhaps because they see that part of their job as just an unfortunate side-effect of joining the early pension club?

    Meanwhile, we, the joe public inhabitants of Ireland, continue to be used as “emotional proxy pawns”(Can’t remember the technical term – you know when kids are used as a bargaining chip in messy divorces, that kind of thing – anyone know what that is called?) caught in the middle between the government, who are a bunch of idiots, and the likes of the GRA, who are also a bunch of idiots. Yes, everything he said is true, for certain values of truth, but at the moment it’s all a bit pot and kettle, innit?

    Make no mistake , this broadside at the current establishment has nothing to do with your well-being and everything to do with the GRA’s aspirations to shoulder their way into the queue for the trough.

    Basically the GRA wants their members to be an entity unto themselves, which is a presage to their attempted autonomy…so now you have a guard-dog for the state that only bites when it decides to.

    Now *that* is a recipe for corruption.

  26. Pope “If unions have negotiated some say in management decisions, that’s all to the good, because the people on the ground delivering services often know more about the business than management, in my experience.”

    You would be correct if you assume that the unions have the best interests of customers at heart. Unfortunately that is usually not the case, and as far as I can see, the more power a union has in Ireland, the more they use it for the benefit of their members, rather than say hospital patients, or schoolkids. You are dead wrong if you think that HSE Management control the unions in the hospitals If you want examples I could happily illustrate the point. In case people think I’m a union basher, its not about that really, its that we are generally a nation of me feiners. I’m a union member myself. I also happen to agree with O Boyce’s comments on the government. My basic point though is that we are governed by corrupt cowards who will not stand up to, or are in league with, a broad range of vested interests and I do not welcome another snout at the trough, especially one as powerful and as corrupt as the Garda Síochána.

  27. Bock, O’Boyce should have been fired on the spot as should his successor who endorsed his comments 100%. It is not the veracity of the claims that is at question here, it is the role of the Gardai in a democratic state. The Gardai are there to uphold the law as laid down by the supposedly democratic Oireachtas. It is up to the general population to elect or get rid of the government as the case may be. If the Gardai believe that the government are corrupt then they should follow through that corruption all the way to the courts or resign. If poorer paid army personnel made these remarks they would have been dismissed a long time ago. Bad though our troubles are, we dot not need a police state, particularly one run by Donegal Gardai.

  28. EssoDee If you feel that your Union have only your interests and your fellow members at hart, to the determent of patients , children etc. Then why do you remain a member? The GRA were established to look after the interests of their members . The current shower of cretins that are the Government, claim that imbecilic amounts of Gold attract “the brightest and the best” to Government? Everyone else must tighten their belts while they fly to Paris to buy their shirts. Now perhaps you and other contributors to this may agree. I most certainly do not .

  29. Gary, I’ve said twice already that I agree with the guys comments on the government. The reason I remain in a union ( I have thought about leaving over the years) has crystallised for me recently, the government would walk all over us otherwise. But there’s a difference between standing up for yourself and pissing all over people, and I havent seen any evidence of that type of abuse by union members where I work.

    As I said I’m not anti union per se, but I do see the actions of some members of powerful unions as reprehensible, and I think the Gardai have people afraid enough of them already without being unionised.

  30. Gary, I don’t have a clue what you mean in your comment to me.

    Tumbrel, I disagree that the GRA should be made to serve such a corrupt shower.

  31. @ Mairead

    “We are angry, we have been betrayed and we are disillusioned. But I do not believe it is yet understood just how angry we are.”

    I agree Mairead. Twas a good speech but as you can see, this thread has degenerated, yet again, into sneers against the public sector. Typical.

    What’s also been commented on here is “ah sher tis only the guards sayin it sher theyre all corrupt” kind of defeatist talk we hear daily in all its shapes and forms. The significant thing is that it is the guards saying it. The guards. Who are supposed to be apolitical. The enforcers of law and order in this state. Who protected this state against the IRA, German spies etc during times of great crises. Who have been shot at and shot dead in line of duty. And they deem the government to be corrupt. That is the significance of their statement.

  32. Mairead
    Note the part of the GRA speech quoted below.
    “On the 7th December 2009 we announced that we were going to ballot our members on industrial action. I have no doubt the announcement saved our allowances from the hatchet.”
    The GRA does not and never has had the interests of the country at heart. In this way they are exactly similar to Fianna Fail. Nevertheless I will stick to my view that O’Boyce & Co should have been fired on the spot.
    How long would your employment last if you publicly accused your employers of corruption, greed etc. In fact you would be landed in court for slander. The guards make a promise (in fact they actually swear an oath) of loyalty to the State. Regrettable as it may be but the Government represents the State.
    Interestingly the commissioner is also obliged under a recent Act to take account of the police disciplinary codes etc in other similar juristictions when dealing with garda disciplinary matters. Can you imagine a what would happen to the members of any police representative body that made similar accusations in any European country.
    If we are to have a coup d’etat, I hope the coup promoters have more lofty ideals than their allowances and their pensions.

  33. A great speech, one that I fully support, now that the minister has aked for a public apology to the Irish people, I feel his days are numbered, it is him and the rest of FF to who should apologise to the Irish people. I am not a member of the Gardi or a trade union, I am self employed.
    I for one do not want an apology for what is correct. Well done the GRA.

  34. TC — I’d like to know the legislative basis for firing O’Boyce as you suggest.

    As regards your point on slander, we have heard a lot in recent times about protecting whistle-blowers. These would be people who publicised their employers’ wrongdoings and we could have done with a lot more of them in the banks as well as the Financial regulator’s office.

    The government, incidentally, are not the State. The guards don’t swear allegiance to State, and they don’t pledge loyalty to the government, which would be real politicisation of the police.

    Here’s the wording of their oath:

    I hereby solemnly and sincerely declare before God that I will faithfully discharge the duties of a member of the Garda Siochana with fairness, integrity, regard for human rights, diligence and impartially, upholding the Constitution and the Laws and according equal respect to all people, {2005.} {No.20} Garda Siochana Act 2005. While I continue to be a member, I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all my duties according to Law, and I do not belong to, and will not remain a member form, belong to or subscribe to , any Political party or secret society whatsoever.

  35. Bock. Basically for insubordination. I am not a legal person but under Section 14 of the Garda Siochana Act 2005a Garda can be dismissed by the Commissioner if ….” his or her continued membership ..would undermine public confidence in tha Garda …” I would argue that the public insubordination as witnessed means that either the GRA executive must go or the government must go. The idea that those charged with obedience to the law and responsible for administering the law impartially can publicly question the authority of the elected law makers and government is not sustainable. Specifically in relation to corruption they should pursue it all the way. If they cannot or are unwilling to do so they should resign.

    Again the fact that most of what they said is true is not the issue here.

  36. Insubordination is the refusal to follow an order from a superior. The government are not entitled to issue orders to a Garda. They are not his superiors.

    He didn’t question the authority of the government structures. He questioned the integrity of current ministers.

    As a rank-and-file policeman, he’s in no position to pursue the investigation.

  37. Bock. Yes insubordination is a refusal to carry out an order. But if as the person who accepts orders, I call a person or persons who directly or indirectly issue orders to me a corrupt greedy bastard (and more) then I would argue that too is insubordination.

    The commissioner is responsible to the Government (or current ministers). The Gardai are responsible to the commissioner. I don’t know if a O’Boyce is rank and file but surely every suspected crime could be investigated by any Garda. If his superiors (I hate that word) don’t allow him, I am sure there are ways to object.

    Most want to get rid of this very corrupt government but to allow the GRA or any other body with access to weapons etc to do so, would be a big mistake.

  38. Tumbrel, are you for real.. ” I don’t know if a O’Boyce is rank and file but surely every suspected crime could be investigated by any Garda. If his superiors (I hate that word) don’t allow him, I am sure there are ways to object.”.. why couldn’t this have happened then instead of all the tribunals?

    “Most want to get rid of this very corrupt government but to allow the GRA or any other body with access to weapons etc to do so, would be a big mistake.” O’ Boyce just criticised the government.. he’s not going to lead a coup and shoot them.. all though might not be a bad idea.

    Don’t confuse dissent with disloyality.. this government don’t deserve much loyality from any section of society.

  39. FME. The tribunals happened and in particular the Donegal (*Morris?) tribunal because many of the guards are corrupt as well as the Fianna Fail government. We all know the pot is black. We should not put the kettle on a pedestal for pointing out the obvious and refusing to boil water at the same time.

  40. haha Tumbrel, good analogy. Still I don’t see it as treason or anything similar that because there is meant to be allegiance, criticism cannot take place. Loyality and respect is earned and has to be maintained and this current government do not deserve it.

  41. There is a point that is being missed here, ie the tradition of close links between the Gardai and Fianna Fail.
    The perception is that to get on in the Gardai it has never harmed a career to kowtow to the local FF councillors and TDs . In fact this close relationship was the reason why crooked politicians were never pursued.
    In light of Mr O`Boyces unspoken words and Mr Aherns hissy fit, I wonder which oath of allegiance is under threat?

  42. I read this morning that Dermot Ahern has demanded that An Garda Siochana should “apologise to the nation” for pointing out that his party is steeped in corruption and has brought this country to the brink of financial ruin. Your so-called leader over saw the genesis of this crime while he was finance minister; and he is now orchestrating a scheme that will benefit the Fianna Fail tent dwellers, while the law abiding, tax paying(we don’t have a team of tax consultants or an Irish law firm to help us “avoid” paying tax) citizen – who is the backbone of this country – is screwed by his party. An Garda Siochana owes me no apology. I have always had respect for the Garda, but that respect has increased ten-fold. My little letters to politicians and national newspapers and to Bock’s wall of info do nothing to dent Fianna Fail’s hubris, but they felt that one from the Garda the other day. An Garda Siochana are there to protect the citizens of this state and by highlighting how rotten Dermot’s party are, they have done more to protect people than Fianna Fail have done in two years of corrupt machinations. It is only a pity they would not go further and walk on the dail and turf the selfish lot out into the gutter where they belong.

    Darren

  43. O.k so, Gardai are supposed to be politically impartial, well why the fuck are 2 of them assigned to Guard that scum-fuck Ahern, and every other waste of taxpayers money currently doing 150miles an hour around the country with a Garda driver (a well trained Garda driver, one who may well of saved the lives of any of the Gardai who’ve died in serious road fatalities, but unfortunetly the best of everything is saved for the worst of society, the politicians), is this not undermanning the force drastically and putting Gardai in political places against the wish of the Minister for All that sort of crap and justice for some, another Ahern and a complete prick to say the least. I think the Gardai and Army should strike, but not on the general public, just on the pricks who are ruining our state, none of us want them there, they’re avoiding elections because once their out of office the shit hits the fan- So strike please, don’t ferry these fucks around all day and go back to being a policeman, don’t fly these pricks from Baldonnel to the opening of an envelope in Mayo, maybe if Bertie stood in Fagans without his secret police escorts sitting around he’d find he’s not the man of the people but a fucking scum urchent who deserves to be shot for what he’s carried on with for Haughey and that generation of vermin. Gardai deserve to organise a Union, the government are sworn to honour the Gardai as much as the Gardai are sworn to us, yet when the government fucks up there are no apologies, no sackings, nothing worth a shit.

  44. @ Peter

    I think Garda protection for serving and retired ministers date back to a relatively more turbulent time in the 1930s and 40s. Prior to this the job was carried out by the Army. Protection was also required during the troubles. But you’re right, I think those Gardai should be freed up for other duties. Let Bertie take his chances if he thinks he’s so popular.

  45. I really can’t believe so many intelligent posters here are letting the wool be pulled over their eyes on this one.
    Even if you hate the government ,even if you hate the GRA, the core issue here is that BOTH parties who are flinging shit at each other are doing so at opposite ends of YOUR garden.

    That means that YOU will ultimtely suffer, not them.

    The Gardai Siochana are supposed to be, literally, Guardians of the peace. That means that they are required simply to PREVENT the laws and constituion of the state from being broken. That’s all. A job which unfortunatley they have thus-far failed miserably to do. Open up page 4(I think , unless tis been moved) of the Leader, and have a look at how many court cases there were last week. how many scum with 100+ convictions are up in court again.
    Now, if the Gardai actually gave a flying fuck about doing their jobs, then they’d have long ago forced our legal system to prevent anyone from being able to see the light of day with that many priors. But they don’t
    I will ask again; if they want to be an effective police force and actually protect law-abiding citizens, why then do we never hear them threatening to strike unless given the power to do their jobs properly? Why is it always aboout blaming someone else?

    As for having them minding Bertie, actually that’s perfectly fitting with their role- keeping the peace – if they left him alone in a pub for 5 minutes there would be blood ;)

    I hereby invoke Godwin’s law, and draw an analogy:

    It’s 1939.
    The government is Nazi Germany
    The GRA represent Stalin’s Communist tyranny.

    We’re Poland, and we’re fucked

    Can ye not see that?

  46. Sorry Steve, I might be wrong here but the length of term a criminal gets is determined by the justice/court system not the Gardai. They have done their jobs by getting the criminal to court…im sure they dont like coming face to face with the same scum bags again and again.. Their job is to apprehend if it was to hand down sentences they wouldn’t be members of the Gardai they would be members of the Judiciary. I don’t think you can blame them for that!

  47. That Niall Collins chap looks to have risen to a very great height judging by what has now become his regular predisposition to attack and condemn all who dont agree with his own cabinet influenced spin. Incidentally,is Niall any relation to the tax evading Collins?

  48. Thanks The Geek. An indication perhaps of the mans mentality and sense of shamelessness. Dont mind the little people Niall.

  49. @cf,

    of course you are right and I’m not trying to say that the gardai should be the people making the decisions on how long someone goes down for a crime, but let me put it this way,:

    I your job was to stop crime before it happened (which is their job; it’s not to solve crime, it’s to prevent it from happening in the first place), and you were handing over criminals to the justice system who you absolultely 100% knew were in it as a career, and the justice system was just sending them back onto the streets to commit more crime, would you not think that you should try to put at least some pressure on the system to stop doing this, since it was therefore a direct contradiction of your mandate?

    So I’m not suggesting they take the law into their own hands, but what I am saying is that if they want to threaten to “down tools” then there are better reasons to do so than just to get one over on the government, at everyone else’s expense.

    Also, claming that the force might be corrupted because its members are not paid enough is an immediately obvious red flag against them because if low pay was the driver for corruption, how then did our government become so curropt, being as it is that they are already on an easy gravy train from the moment they get elected? Corruption is driven by greed and fear, nothing more, and given that parts of the force are already known to be corrupted, it’s very sad to see the people who took an oath to defend this country’s laws threaten to throw their toys out of the pram over such a vulgar issue.

  50. @ Steve

    The GRA was complaining more about where this country is going than their pay and pension. If they were just whinging about the latter, it wouldn’t have been so talked about or put on this blog. And Dermot Ahearn wouldn’t have felt so scared.

  51. TC, I would probably be fired if I said my employer is corrupt.
    My employer is the Catholic church.
    I try to alert people about the problems in education.
    I wouldn’t have the guts to risk my job like this man has done.
    That’s why I admire him.
    It was a really hard thing to do.
    We need whistle blowers.
    We need people who can speak up against their employers when needed, without being threatened with the loss of their job.
    Our country is bloody corrupt.
    It stinks.
    We should all be saying it, not trying to shut up one brave man!

  52. Well said, Michael O’Boyce, needed to be said, kudos for the bottle to say it, however all the brownie points for the Gardai went out the window today, on my way back from Galway, three Gardai, on early retirement, A.K.A. the Traffic Corp, have half the country held up on a Bank Holiday Monday, (extra allowance for working today) on the Dual Carriageway near Durty Nellies, usual high level Police work, Road Tax, NCT etc., on second thoughts, maybe they were enquiring if there were any part-time jobs going…

  53. the Gardai accusing the goverment of corruption!!.I dont know whether to laugh or cry.

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