May 072010
 

I see that skobe lowlife murdering scumbag got life in jail for murdering two decent human beings.

David Curran, a worthless piece of shit from Drimnagh in Dublin, deliberately killed two good, hardworking honest men — entirely unlike him in every way — by stabbing Pawel Kalite and Marius Szwajkos in the brain with a sharpened screwdriver.  Another lowlife worthless scumbag, Sean Keogh, escaped a murder conviction, even though he kicked Pawel Kalite in the head after Curran had stabbed him.

It says much about Curran that he had no friends in the courtroom, and much about the kind of family he comes from that none of them turned up either. Even his father, who was involved in the original row that eventually led to Pawel Kalite’s death, didn’t turn up to support his son.  What kind of people are they?

What kind of background produced this violent, disconnected young man?

It has nothing to do with disadvantage.  We were all disadvantaged one way or another.  It has nothing to do with poverty.  The library and the school are free.

Is it a background where nobody has any values?

I lived in Drimnagh for a year, a long time ago, and it was a solid, decent neighbourhood.  How did it start to produce the likes of Curran and the idiot teenaged girls who provoked the first confrontation outside the chipper, and who egged on Curran to commit his crimes as well as helping him to construct a false alibi?

These days, I often regret the fact that I oppose the death sentence.  Truthfully, I’d feel no sorrow if either of these two dirtbags were shot in the street like dogs and thrown into a pit of quicklime.  If we had a reliable justice system, it wouldn’t cost me a wink of sleep to think that they had been pushed under a slow-moving bulldozer or fed into a tractor gearbox, feet first.

Pawel Kalite and Marius Szwajkos were fine young men.  Curran and Keogh are a burden on humanity and we’d be all the richer for their passing.

  69 Responses to “David Curran, Murderer of Two Polish Men Gets Life Sentence”

Comments (69)
  1.  

    Why should we have to pay to keep them in jail?
    Hang the bastards.

  2.  

    Couldn’t agree more Bock. I’m in the motor trade too and I know how hard working these decent guys were. Maybe as a mark of respect and to show our discust as a nation, we should send them to Poland to spend the rest of their miserable lives in a Polish prison.

  3.  

    Peter,

    I have to say I like your idea, it fits the crime. That is if the Poles would have them of course. No one would miss them. I hadn’t realised that none of his family turned up, then again who the fuck cares? He’s scum and he’s come from scum.

    I was disappointed to hear that Keogh got off, so he can’t be charged with manslaughter. No doubt he’ll end up in Mountjoy soon enough, but what about the people that will suffer before he does? As for that one that started the whole thing, she should be charged as well. God help us if she has kids . . . God help the kids.

  4.  

    I totally disagree with the death penalty. If one human being is wrongly convicted and executed by society, where does that leave us? However, this scumbag, knuckle-dragging cunt and his like are, in my opinion, not human at all. It is for this reason that killing them would be a public service. Scumbags should be declassified in terms of humanity and assigned their own breed. A human being can be pushed to murder and should be convicted and sentenced accordingly. A scumbag kills for no reason at all. Fuck em. I’ll manm the fucking flamethrower myself.

  5.  

    I didn’t see the detail of the sentencing, but in the irish Judicial system won’t this turd be eligible for parole review in a dozen years or so? He will potentially be younger than I am now when he walks the streets again after ending the lives of two young men.

    A pure mockery.

  6.  

    The Poles and other foreigners who have come to work in Ireland have given us examples of a positive work ethic. Many of them have helped to refill half-empty churches. They have been exemplary in saving money and remitting it to dependent relatives in Eastern Europe. I have also admired their active networking tendencies and entrepreneurial skills in opening corner grocery stores and travel shops. Many of the young women serving me in cafes and filling station shops are pretty and cheerful.

    I do hope that Irish people as individuals have reached out to their foreign neighbours and workmates.

    You’ve asked a philosophical question about what produces mindless lowlife scumbags who assault and kill decent law abiding foreigners like Pawel and Marius. It’s a deep and pressing question. I can’t offer an answer.

  7.  

    Agree completely Bock.I would be far from the ‘hang them and flog them’ brigade but that thing should serve a minimum of 30 years for what he did.Pure evil : he wasn’t even involved in the original skirmish and those unfortunate Polish men never laid a finger on him,and yet the scumbag murdered them in the most savage manner.

    Look what he came from though.Apparently his father also assaulted Pawel outside the chip shop (not sure how he escaped prosecution for this).

    I’m baffled too how the two “girls” (if that’s what you can call them) and the cousin weren’t also in the dock for assault and inciting a murder.The mobile phone evidence of girl No.1 was astonishing.She had just witnessed her vicious thug of a friend fatally wound two innocent men,and yet in her texts to him that night,she showed no sign of concern or regret : she was only bothered with trying to get him off the hook and to construct a false alibi for him.That complete lack of empathy for the suffering of another human being is utterly chilling and makes her as bad as that towrag Curran in my book.

  8.  

    Agree totally Bock, there is no place in the world for a deviant like this bastard.

    Nuts

  9.  

    Beware Bock! You and other commentators here seem to be displaying the same vicious instincts which prompted this terrible crime. Do not yield to the dark side of human nature, it’s all to easy.

  10.  

    Scumbag yes. Out of the ordinary no. Difficult to judge in some ways. Plenty of our countrymen have planned and carried out the maiming and slaughter (of men women and children) over a ‘tea with one sugar please’ and then gloried over the tv coverage and congratulations from peers afterwards. Is being off your head with drink and drugs worse than being on your game with a cup of tea and clear mind?
    Hard call to make. If we shoot the cunt Curran we need to think about shooting a lot more – problem is they will shoot us before we can shoot them. We are still fucked up big time. No values.

  11.  

    What is this thing about concurrent sentencing? Is there a legal prohibition on consecutive sentences?
    Surely there’s no deterrent against multiple murders if the punishment will be the same. At least the fuckers should be put away for the rest of their lives and that might make other lowlifes reconsider their actions.
    Being fucked up on drink or drugs is no excuse. Imagine trying that defense in a drink driving case..”I was only driving because I was out of my mind on liquor, your honour”. I don’t think so!!!

  12.  

    Curran and Keogh should be exterminated full stop. They are lower than the level of humanity and shouldnt be allowed enjoy one more breath after this.YOU’RE SCUM CURRAN AND ALL THE RATS IN YOUR FAMILY ARE WORSE AS ARE THE RATS IN DRIMNAGH.

  13.  

    Whilst I share the sense of outrage and disgust at the murders of Pawel and Marius, I can think of more appropriate punishment for these miscreants than death.
    They embody all that is wrong in Ireland today. However I am not going to waste my time on vitriol. I do however they and the likes of Roy Collins murderer should be made to work while in prison and any income derived paid to the families of the victims. Any right to privacy should be withdrawn and their images should be displayed in schools, youth clubs, everywhere as an example to others.

  14.  

    Well Ronan,

    I saw on the front page of todays herald that neither girl will be called charged with anything! Reading reports they played a central part in this murder. One of them even called Curran to get him to come over to kill them. That was the result even if she didn’t have the awareness to know that might happen. Personally I don’t think she cares, and to think this all started from one of the boys she was with bumping into Pavel Kaulite on the street outside a chipper. She was the one who egged on the boys, into assaulting him, and took part in it herself according to witness accounts. She and others followed Pavel Kaulite to his house about 70 yards up the road and then called David Curran in to kill. Without her actions it is highly likely that both victims would be alive and well back in Poland now. One of them was engaged to be married, and both planned to move back to Poland within the year.

    She doesn’t even get a slap on the wrist, this is unbelievable, or sadly all too believable with our justice system. I know I’m coming across as one of the hang em and flog em brigade, I’m not, far from it. But the more I see of the absolute shambles that the criminal justice system is here, the more I think the pendulum needs to swing the other way in cases like this. If it was up to me, I’d put huge resources into crime prevention programmes to save those who can still be saved, and make it widely known that crimes against the person would attract the stiffest of sentences. I would make this abundantly clear so even the most illiterate would understand this. Then, if they chose to commit such crimes they’d know that they would suffer the consequences and could’nt say they weren’t warned.

    The unfortunate fact is that there is a section of society that is unredeemable. A section of society who feel they can get away with whatever they want, because they can. They don’t accept the social contract but are more than happy to enjoy its benefits. They don’t want to give anything back to society no matter how small, as far as they are concerned they have no responsibilities but plenty of rights and entitlements. In my eyes they are parasites and scum (hence my use of the words to describe Curran in my previous post). This isn’t a class thing, I think that my description above would equally apply to the likes of Seanie Fitz or Fingers or their like. They too, don’t care about society, but only about what they can get out of it. The fact that they are more successful at it is the only difference. Both degrade society, some by the death of a thousand cuts and some by NAMA. Either way, the end result is we all lose.

  15.  

    Spot on Bock!

    Ireland is plagued by dribbling troglodites like Curran, Keogh and all who ever thought ‘Jaysus he’s a lovely fella’. I really don’t know where non-entities like this scumbag got this sense of entitlement and empowerment that they seem to exhibit. This sense that they can do whatever the fuck they like, and it’s our fucking problem if we don’t like it!

    If only natural selection was allowed to run its course we likely would not have to suffer fuck-wits like this.

    Life should mean life and may Curran be buggered senseless by a warts ridden sodomite pig-shagger for the rest of his days. I only hope, that if there is a God, then Curran, Keogh and those hooped ear-ringed tramps that started it all, have a special place in hell set aside for them.

  16.  

    Well to me it seems there is no Judiciary system here in Ireland. There are a lot of breeding grounds for such Scumbags and they take full advantage of it to learn the Scum techniques.

    More so ever the Scum families only know how to breed like pigs and create children to extract more Social Welfare money. Common Guys.. Wake up. Make every individual work. There isnt a situation where we dont have work. Make all these so called “Disadvantaged” people clean the streets of Dublin and the entire nation. Make them sweat hard for the “Money” they get from the tax payers.

    As of this Curran Guy, I would shoot him in public to set a example for other scum bags not to engage in such acts in future. Its the knowledge of the fact that they can escape conviction makes them do more crime than anything else.

  17.  

    iv been saying it for years we are now out numbered by these toe rags..i live in tallaght and its like baghdad up here most evenings..you guys should pop by on paddys day or good fri and witness what irish society has become

  18.  

    Much worse than Baghdad. As far as I know, Iraqis have a strong family and cultural tradition, and great personal pride. These illiterate know-nothing arseholes have no culture, no tradition and no self-respect.

  19.  

    its also entrenched in a repressed youth culture all this, theyve hit rock bottom in finding their niche 20yr ago n its not going to shift. n people just see garbage n treat m as such n they respond and its a vicious circle.. also until some bottle blonds (gingers) get up the duff offa some randy coloured lad, they are cocooned in their white trash society that makes even trailer trash america appear glamourous so in their world you can’t be into something else nor even appear (to em) to come from somewhere else or you just don’t have the right to be. god help ya if u actually are, sh*t man i got tagged schillaci just for havin dark hair down there. some young won calls me Mr bean the other nite in the company of 4 lads.. i didn’t respond. these’d be the same kids who weren’t even born when i hung around Lissadel Rd w/ the General’s nephew in our leather jackets w/ metal groups inscribed on.. they’re disturbingly fascist n you’d have more freedom around Gardai. it don’t bother me personally as much anymore, but when you have the raving mad children of ravers its only gonna intensify degeneration after degeneration, the sheer stupidity – as for the government if u allow microscopic germs to multiply right under your nose to the point its endemic, you obviously don’t have a good scope on things.

  20.  

    Why regret that you oppose the death penalty, Bock? Why not just support it, in certain cases where it’s clear that no innocent person will be wrongly executed?

    I keep hearing that it actually costs more to give the DP than life-in-prison, because of the drawn out legal process. Maybe that’s only in the U.S. Seems pretty crazy to me.

    I only know about this case from what I read here, but seems to me like the girls should be punished, too. And what about remorse of the murderers – was there any? Should it make a difference?

    Did anyone see this story about some inmates who did good? Nashville flood. Long article – just quoting here the relevant parts:

    http://www.usatoday.com/weather/floods/2010-05-04-flood-main_N.htm

    ———————————————————————————————————

    NASHVILLE — When the flood-beleaguered people of Nashville open kitchen faucets and get fresh water today, they might want to raise their glasses in a toast to some men behind bars.
    Without a herculean effort by 400 Davidson County inmates on Monday, Nashville’s lone working water treatment plant most likely would have been overrun with muddy overflow from the Cumberland River.

    “It was an incredible effort,” Nashville Mayor Karl Dean said of the rush to bag 500 tons of sand on the grounds of a county jail and transport it to form a wall around the Omohundro Water Treatment Plant.

    “We had staff and inmates that literally worked 36 straight hours,” Davidson County Sheriff Daron Hall said. “We had inmates who volunteered and didn’t want to stop when we said they could go back.”

    “The attitude of all these guys was fantastic,” Hall said. “They have loved ones here in this community, too, who were at risk.”

    ———————————————————————————————————

    I’m not saying that this justifies giving life instead of the DP, or that these inmates even included lifers or murderers. Just an interesting human interest story – that even inmates can still be people who care.

  21.  

    I’m pretty sure Bock that the entire gang would have been put on trial if this had occured in the UK.We’ve seen numerous cases in recent years in Britain where gangs of seven or eight teenagers have been tried for the murder of one individual,even if several of them didn’t inflict the fatal injury.

    It seems incomprehensible to me how those vicious little bitches weren’t in the dock with Curran.A slap on the wrist is what you get for throwing a brick through a window or setting fire to someone’s car,not for inciting the murder of two human beings.

    Both their physical attack on Pawel outside the chip shop and their summoning of that lowlife Curran to the scene directly led to the double murder.I don’t know how the DPP can justify letting them off with a slap on the wrist as they were guilty of several offences including assault and attempting to perverse the course of justice.If this had occured in the US,they would be looking at several years behind bars.

    The one good thing is that the majority of people aren’t like Curran,Keogh and their three disgusting buddies.Most teenagers are decent individuals even in fairly deprived working class areas.There is just that cold,hardened,alienated underclass like Curran and his family and friends who are effectively living outside the community,with no respect for other human beings

  22.  

    if they done that to any of my family i would be dishing out my death penalty

  23.  

    What happened was horrendous and those responsible should be severely punished. No question.

    Anyone like to hazard a guess as to how people end up without empathy or respect for other people?
    Does anyone really think that referring to people as scumbags and toerags does anything other than reassure you that you are somehow ‘better’ than them?

    It seems to me that there is a section of society with very different values to the accepted ones of self respect and thus respect for others. When did the split happen and why? I think there are people thinking and behaving in ways that I deem unacceptable and counterproductive to put it very mildly. I also think they genuinely if conforonted would not ‘get’ what my problem is. The basic value system I hold dear is not the same as the one under which they operate. I truly don’t believe they have no values. I just think they value different things and the circuit board in their heads is wired differently to mine. It frightens me. There is emerging a separate class/culture/movement – not sure what to call it, becoming more alienated all the time. (Perhaps it has emerged?)
    It’s the same in the UK – just look at Jeremy Kyle and in the US – see a plethora of ‘shows’ there for exhibits.

    If we really think we’re better or maybe have just had a better chance, a better upbringing, better luck – whatever, perhaps we should be less accusatory, less free with the calls for hangings, less smug in our name-calling and actually think about proper solutions and remedies. Maybe that’s difficult though. Calling names and being self-righteous is much easier. I know people are speaking out of justified revulsion for what happened, but enough with the kill the bastards stuff.

  24.  

    Lou did it ever occur to you that your apparent tolerant attitude may be responsible for the filth that killed two men? The things responsible should be hanged drawn and quartered ,in my opinion , in public. However they are in no way unique . There are a lot of filth pots that should be put down .

  25.  

    “There was no more feeling in those eyes than a crab’s eye on the end of a stalk.” -William S. Burroughs

  26.  

    Lou — I don’t care how these scumbag lowlife bastards ended up without empathy and compassion and I don’t care if I’m better or worse than them.

    All I know is that I don’t do these things, and neither do my children and neither does anyone else I know. If that makes me better than the lowlife murdering scumbag bastards, well and good. I don’t care.

    I also don’t care how different their life-hating, peace-destroying, negative values are. Those values are alien to me and have no place in any society I contribute to maintaining.

    It’s very simple. Anyone who doesn’t accept the basic principles of our society is not part of it, and doesn’t deserve its support.

    In case you missed it, this post doesn’t call for capital punishment. You just thought that was what you read.

  27.  

    “There was no more feeling in those eyes than a crab’s eye on the end of a stalk.” -William S. Burroughs

    n what pools of emotive nothingness they were – i’d have thought a lad of such pale descent would be blue or green, hazel whatever – or blue like most of us dubs regardless of skin or hair tint – n i trust they were, brown even but somehow his eyes were just.. black. i can’t say he was possessed for sure, but was most certainly prompted by the devil. in the guise of a girl and within himself

    still, no excuse when you’re a minion of sadistic acts.

  28.  

    I just thought that was what I read? Please don’ t do that Bock.
    I know it’s your site and all, but courtesy, please.

    Some posts allude to the need for the death penalty.
    I was not even referring to those.
    The tone or tenor of a few posts here are of the hanging is too good for ’em variety.
    I said enough with the kill the bastards stuff.

    I think horrendous crimes must not go unpunished.

    I also think that 99.99% of people are not born innately ‘bad’ but some go bad and I think an elightened society must figure this out. It’s too too easy to say they are scum; they don’t accept my laws and my values so to hell with them. I don’t know what the answer is. I just feel strongly that exclusion isn’t it.

    I began by saying the

  29.  

    What would you suggest so as a severe punishment? I honestly want to know

  30.  

    may that scumbag rot in hell, about a year before the killings he attacked me outside a well known crumlin pub, only now i realise just how lucky i was, may he rot in hell and hopefully he will be put in a cell with some burly poles

  31.  

    I also don’t care if people are born bad or good. It seems to me that certain slices of society are malevolent and will turn their children the same way in their own good time.

  32.  

    Sorry for going on a bit and people disassociating from the hang em high brigade. Fair enough, but I just want to know what way serious shit like this should be dealt with. Honestly, jail is only a deterrent for normal law abiding folk, some solution needs to be introduced to deal with these like minded cunts.

  33.  

    Jail is not a deterrent because, even though it would be awful to spend 20 years behind bars, the chances of being caught are small. This is the same reason I’m not deterred from crossing the road. I know I might be run over by a bus, but it’s unlikely.

  34.  

    With all the talk about scumbags who do not deserve to belong to civilized society I think commentators have overlooked an important group of people. I am thinking of the immediate family members of the two murdered men in Poland. What suggestions might they make about the convicted prisoner and the uncharged bystanders who witnessed the vile killing?

  35.  

    Hang ’em, flog ’em (perhaps I got that the wrong way around).

    Then, if they are wrongfully convicted, dig ’em up and say we’re sorry.

  36.  

    How do you deal with a person like this with sociopathic tendencies before they do the damage?

    Serious question.

  37.  

    A few point on this discussion…

    1. people in this subculture do not regard prison as a deterrent, in fact, it’s just a rite of passage or proving ground on the ladder to the Sunday World’s top scumbag hall of fame.
    2. reintroducing the death penalty for this pond life is not a good enough. Deviants like Curran should be held accountable and taught to see and understand the pain and suffering that they have inflicted on others. They need to be engaged in making amends (social and economic) for their behaviour, no matter how long it takes. Snuffing out his life in revenge for the death of victims is too convenient and too easy. The fucker probably wouldn’t be too bothered but I’ll bet he’d be permanently sick to his stomach for the rest of his life if he thought he had to confront and modify his behaviour 247/365.
    3. this country needs a violent crime database that’s available online to the general public. Every one of these bastards with a conviction for violent crime needs to readily identifiable – none of this hiding behind coats or newspapers (anyway, they should be led out, cuffed behind their backs, for the world to see). This database would be used to name and shame (step 1 – step 2, chip the bastards) them and would be useful as a resource for witnesses in identifying perpetrators and as a resource for gardai to match the bailed or recently released to outstanding felonies (yeah right).
    4. it’s the ordinary decent people who have the misfortune to live in the same neighbourhoods as these skangers that i feel most sorry for. They are most often the victims because these bastards will sooner shit on their own doorsteps and terrorise by fear an intimidation (under some unwritten community law that makes informing worse that giving Beelzebub a blowjob) than engage in criminal activity in areas that are better policed or secured. It’s always the most vulnerable that get done over first by these low lifes.
    5. parents, what parents? I thought parenting was a skill…a responsibility…part of a social contract…But it’s not seen that way by the parents that spawn this type of citizen. It’s no parenting, it’s just recruitment to a growing army of parasites that are sent forth to burgle, scrounge and multiply ad infinitum. Time to break the cycle, sterilise the fuckers on conviction.

  38.  

    Lou: when you oppose someone’s opinion and then use the term “enlightened society” you are assuming a moral highground that your statements do not deserve. You are, indeed, alluding to your intellectual superiority and, in doing so, exclude the rest of us. In other words, you kind of become what you behold.
    This argument is very simple. Our judicial system is heavily weighted in favour of the criminal. That’s where you start. Real jail time for real criminals in real jails instead of real jail time for really hard up people who default on credit union loans. Y’see, for those people, it is a jail because it is a confiscation of their freedom. To actual criminals, it is a fucking hotel. In Limerick prison a couple of years ago, a power surge made shit of over 20 LCD tvs. They were replaced within the hour – can’t have our murdering fuckwits missing Jeremy Kyle now can we.
    You think that we should honestly look for the root causes. Look for the reasons why these fucking bastard scumbags turned out the way they are. Are you serious? They are born into scum and have no chance of being anything else. How do we stop them being brought up by scum? Sterilization? Your solution is now becoming more extreme than ours because that is the only way we could get these people to grow up without feeling like they can kill whoever they like. I’d agree with it though because I have absolutely no respect for these knuckle dragging wastes of oxygen. Am I better than them? Fucking right I am. I have no doubt that I’m better than any one of them. How long does an “enlightened society” spend figuring out how to cure them of their scumbaggery? How many more innocent people need to be killed, intimidated or poisoned by this fucking pond life? How badly does society need to suffer while your holier than thou think tank comes up with a nice little solution?
    Get a grip, Lou!

  39.  

    if there’s one thing i’m well versed in its dismantling skanks. this perpetual cycle of skangers is too ingrained after 20yr, what we have now is these rave babies chemically imbalanced from all the yolks ma downed on at the Olympic Ballroom back in ’92 ‘all grown up’ with their attempted quasi-fascist clampdown but theyve only managed to disenfranchise emselves to the point you find em bumming about outside the local pub n accompanying chipper in bitter envy of pissed oulfellas n their motors whilst the normal teens are in town at a show or what – can’t even dress emselves they are wearing kidswear from sports stores n it continues into adulthood, i reckon they need to be educated by elders even on how to enjoy their youth not exhibit repressed humility to the point they are spiteful guttersnipes. as teens they should be the cutting edge of trends but it is like they are waiting for a que (sic) on how to develop beyond childhood, like in this instance loitering outside da’s favourite boozer just like when they were tykes. self realization is the first step but then can come self loathing n when it gets projected on others.. well its a vile subculture but then its not even one

    – i read a bit of from the victim’s side n its fairly stark the knock-on effect back in Poland. this Curran is barmy n whilst you can generally judge em instantly on appearance alone as non-entites, not all skanks have these disturbing murderous tendencies but the climate they generate will prompt more of such instances in the future, all the while initiating yet more weak-minded new members. there are indeed AK-47 weilding kids in the congo high on charlie with more manners on em.. anyhow its played out kids – n you’d think the kids’d be the first to see that.

  40.  

    Very well said Bock. A crime like that certainly would test the conviction of any person opposed to the death penalty. But we need not have the death penalty if action and strong action was taken much earlier. In many cases the action required is obvious. No parent should be allowed bring up their children like savages so that they become savages.

  41.  

    Warning: another TL;DR** post by everyone’s (3rd or 4th favourite) rant master.

    @Lou, surely we call people scumbags by their actions, not by where they live, or what they wear. Well, at least, I do anyway. I live in an area surrounded by “scumbag” housing estates, but I don’t drive around shouting “hey you scumbags, I’m better than you!” at them.

    Example – those three lads who kicked Brian Murphy to death were hardly what you’d call scumabgs if you saw them in the street, but look at that they did, and how they tried to wriggle and buy their way out of taking responsiblity for their actions.

    And as such I would hesitate to even try to pigeon-hole sections of society by location or sub-culture. Sure, the mass unemployment and poor academic and social education that many sections and geographic areas has DOES tend to make these people more prone to commit crime, simply because they have fuck all else to do, and will end up taking the monkey path of least resistance.

    I think that trying to put a finger on a root cause is pointless. I can point out plenty of pure fucking scum in this city who come from lovely areas, who have very privileged backgrounds but who perhaps suffered from poor parenting and were left to become feral, hanging out with the wrong people as teenagers until their neural pathways became set and then, bang, they’re scum.
    Then you have the ones who grew up poor and hungry, and didn’t have a pot to piss in, and turned to crime as a way to get by…then you have the ones who are just plain fucking crazy and no matter what their cirsumstances in life will end up acting like scumbags. So you can’t tackle this mysterious “problem” because it’s not one problem – it’s a whole bunch of them, and the root causes are so buried and muddied in the past 2 or 3 generations that it’s impossible now to sort them out. Instead what’s required is a consolidated and consisten response to crime, and that’s sorely lacking in this country.
    The punishments simply do not fit the crime.

    A guy was sentenced today to 5 years in Jail for having stolen 200,000 euros of student’s money which was supposed to have been used to pay for graduation balls. Boo hoo, bad thing to do, nobody hurt, big fucking deal.
    John Dundon got 4.5 years for his part in the death of Owen Treacy. For a murder. He was involved in taking the life of a man who had never done anything to hurt him, and he got 6 months less than the guy who stole a paltry sum of money to feed a gambling addiction.

    Go figure!!

    I just don’t get our species sometimes; a pack of animals in the wild will kill or drive off a sick or rabid animal in their midst. We, on the other hand, merely deprive them of their “freedom” for a short time(and one might aruge that all we’re really doing is removing their need to walk all the way down the road to meet their mates, cos they’re just next door now, Ha Ha) whilst the victims and everyone else continue to pay towards feeding, clothing, entertaining and often re-educating them.
    And of course all the time the bleeding hearts are telling them how they are the real victims, providing a nice steady stream of pre-cooked rationalisations for them to cling to so that when they get out, they are even MORE angry at society then when they went in.

    Then they are then told upon their release that they have “paid their debt to society“. What the fuck?
    Many other countries actually put their criminals to work doing something productive, like making furniture or growing vegetables which are then sold back into the economy. That way after 20 years of working in the fields doing something honest for a change, they might have a chance to reintegrate.

    Maybe we ought to go back to Brehon law. If you commit murder, you pay two fines, one to the “law” for the murder, and then the rest to the family of the man you murdered, of an equal amount that you have been judged to have deprived his family of. if that means you spend the rest of your life working to feed their kids, that’s your problem. If the murderer’s family can’t cope because of this, that’s his problem too.

    Failure to pay means you become the property of the victim’s family, and if you abscond, they can call feud on you and kill you (in fact they are obliged to since you’re at that point just a stray animal in the eyes of the law)

    Simple, JUST, and it costs only the criminal.
    But the government, poilice, lawyers and judges would never allow that kind of thing because they’d lose their power.

    Or maybe just revoke their citizenship, tattoo record of their crime on their forehead, and deport them off to some godforsaken rock in the Atlantic, where they can be provided with the tools to farm and fish and if they survive, well, good for them, but they’re not Irish any more so we don’t really care.

    **Internet for “Too Long; Didn’t Read”, in case you didn’t know :)

  42.  

    Since it has become the norm for criminals to go about armed surely it’s time to provide the police with at least the same level of firepower? Glock makes a very nice line of thoroughly reliable semi-automatic hand guns that would provide some sense of equality between the police and the bad men, and that’s something a truncheon will never do.

  43.  

    We need sheriff Joe, Fuck the A-Team, Fuck Batman, Spiderman, Supergran, and of course fuck Dermot Aherne sideways, below is an e-mail I received about who I think John Lennon meant when he wrote about a “Working Class Hero”. We need Sheriff Joe, We want Sheriff Joe……

    SHERIFF JOE IS AT IT AGAIN!
    You all remember Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona , who painted the jail cells pink and made the inmates wear pink prison garb. Well…

    SHERIFF JOE IS AT IT AGAIN!

    Oh, there’s MUCH more to know about Sheriff Joe!

    Maricopa County was spending approx. $18 million dollars a year on stray animals, like cats and dogs.. Sheriff Joe offered to take the department over, and the County Supervisors said okay..

    The animal shelters are now all staffed and operated by prisoners. They feed and care for the strays. Every animal in his care is taken out and walked twice daily. He now has prisoners who are experts in animal nutrition and behavior. They give great classes for anyone who’d like to adopt an animal. He has literally taken stray dogs off the street, given them to the care of prisoners, and had them place in dog shows.

    The best part? His budget for the entire department is now under $3 million. Teresa and I adopted a Weimaraner from a Maricopa County shelter two years ago. He was neutered, and current on all shots, in great health, and even had a microchip inserted the day we got him Cost us $78.

    The prisoners get the benefit of about $0.28 an hour for working, but most would work for free, just to be out of their cells for the day. Most of his budget is for utilities, building maintenance, etc. He pays the prisoners out of the fees collected for adopted animals.

    I have long wondered when the rest of the country would take a look at the way he runs the jail system, and copy some of his ideas. He has a huge farm, donated to the county years ago, where inmates can work, and they grow most of their own fresh vegetables and food, doing all the work and harvesting by hand.

    He has a pretty good sized hog farm, which provides meat, and fertilizer. It fertilizes the Christmas tree nursery, where prisoners work, and you can buy a living Christmas tree for $6 – $8 for the Holidays, and plant it later.. We have six trees in our yard from the Prison.

    Yup, he was reelected last year with 83% of the vote.
    Now he’s in trouble with the ACLU, again. He painted all his buses and vehicles with a mural that has a special hotline phone number painted on it, where you can call and report suspected illegal aliens. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement wasn’t doing enough in his eyes, so he had 40 deputies trained specifically for enforcing immigration laws, started up his hotline, and bought 4 new buses just for hauling folks back to the border. He’s kind of a ‘Git-R Dun’ kind of S Sheriff.

    TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO,

    HE IS THE MARICOPA ARIZONA COUNTY SHERIFF .

    AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER
    THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY:

    Sheriff Joe Arpaio (In Arizona ) who created the ‘ Tent City Jail’:
    He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.

    He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails. Took away their weights Cut off all but ‘G’ movies.

    He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects.

    Then He Started Chain Gangs For Women So He Wouldn’t Get Sued For Discrimination.

    He took away cable TV Until he found out there was A Federal Court Order that Required Cable TV For Jails So He Hooked Up The Cable TV Again . Only Let In The Disney Channel And The Weather Channel.

    When asked why the weather channel He Replied, So They Will Know How Hot It’s Gonna Be While They Are Working ON My Chain Gangs.

    He Cut Off Coffee Since It Has Zero Nutritional Value.

    When the inmates complained, he told them, ‘This Isn’t The Ritz/Carlton…… If You Don’t Like It, Don’t Come Back.’

    More On The Arizona Sheriff:

    With Temperatures Being Even Hotter Than Usual In Phoenix (116 Degrees Just Set A New Record), the Associated Press Reports:
    About 2,000 Inmates Living In A Barbed-Wire-Surrounded Tent Encampment At The Maricopa County Jail Have Been Given Permission To Strip Down To Their Government-Issued Pink Boxer Shorts.

    On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 Degrees Inside The Week Before.

    Many Were Also Swathed In Wet, Pink Towels As Sweat Collected On Their Chests And Dripped Down To Their PINK SOCKS.

    ‘It Feels Like We Are In A Furnace,’ Said James Zanzot, An Inmate Who Has Lived In The TENTS for 1 year. ‘It’s Inhumane.’

    Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic.. He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates: ‘It’s 120 Degrees In Iraq And Our Soldiers Are Living In Tents Too, And They Have To Wear Full Battle Gear, But They Didn’t Commit Any Crimes,So Shut Your Mouths!’

    Way To Go, Sheriff!

    Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders Criminals should be punished for their crimes – not live in luxury until it’s time for their parole, only to go out and commit another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things taxpayers can’t afford to have for themselves.

  44.  

    I agree with you Bock.
    I was totally sickened by that Animals actions. he should be completely removed from This Planet, never mind this society.

  45.  

    Myers’ article above is startling. i’ve at times been the subject of girl jibes when cuttin back up through drimnagh from my canal jaunt far as Neilstown n back – its been exclusive to drimnagh, but always near the bridge to St. Michaels estate. n its always in the company of a few o their frankensteins so clearly trying to prompt violence between males. i’ve never uttered a thing just don’t have the time to loiter, too busy tryin to cover 10mile inside 2hrs but i heard once ‘where the f- are U from’ – been resident here beside Our Ladies since i was born @ the coombe 32yr ago, i think what they mean is i appear foreign. as in country, not postcode. funny cos a pissed hobo once stopped me on entering a Kilburn newsagent ‘look at them irish eyes’ so they must be just xenophobic to the point their very own can be mistaken for.. but it seems to me these girls are often the instigators w/ their male accomplices unwitting puppets on a string. in my experience

  46.  

    Myers is absolutely right in what he says. If two teenage boys had incited the murder of Polish women, there would be uproar.

    What has happened to Drimnagh? It used to be a decent place.

  47.  

    Those two girls should have been prosecuted. What kind of sick twisted people have we living amongst us? Can you imagine living next to them? I wonder what their parents said to them after all this came out.

  48.  

    I wouldn’t think much of the parents who raised scum like that. Would you?

  49.  

    Ah but aren’t they deprived? Deprived of decency that is. I think it’s time in Ireland that all people from all walks of life got lessons in citizenship and parenting whether they like it or not and lessons in morality – all of us together. I think this labeling of people gives them license to behave in whatever manner they please – it certainly is a good excuse for the barristers in court for defending these people. I don’t think I could live with myself if I did that to someone, I really don’t know how that girl texted that guy that night and found what went on exciting. I actually think I would be physically sick.

  50.  

    Deprived of basic values, perhaps.

    But you know what? I didn’t make them like that and neither did you, so I feel no responsibility to rescue the fuckers from their problem.

  51.  

    I am amazed you haven’t written about a certain lovely family in our neck of the woods – they certainly would be able to empathize with Mr. Curran and his female cohorts I would imagine. Them all being deprived and picked upon of course by the media and society in general.

  52.  

    I wouldn’t like to interfere with the course of justice by providing a possible defence, but I have written a great deal of stuff about crime in our locality.

    In any event, there’s no shortage of low-rent local websites pandering to that market.l

  53.  

    Instead of paying one hundred thousand a year on keeping those trash in comfort in the jails here.Why not sub contract the job to say the Russians or the Chinese who would “look after” them for the next 20 years for a fraction of the cost.Also the thought of experiencing a new culture might act as a serious deterent to other would be scummies.

  54.  

    In a parallel universe, just next door, a Magistrate has been effectively suspended from his post for calling a spade a spade:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/lancashire/8688504.stm

    How long before that happens here?

  55.  

    tis obviously an awful crime. but your overstating it a bit. you show so much hatred to this murderer that its obvious its actually yourself and your country that you hate. oh well.

  56.  

    oh… and your a bigoted scumbag. despite what you like to think of yourself.

  57.  

    What a scumbag! this ginger bastard looks twisted anyway should of been sent to a Polish prison with some nutters as a punishment.See how big he would be there, he’d be wetting himself.

  58.  

    Czekam, az wy irlandczycy w tych czasach kryzysu ruszycie sie za chlebem, w tym do Polski. Wtedy spotkacie sie z polskimi Curran’ami. Zobaczymy jak wtedy bedziecie sie czuli.

  59.  

    Yeah he’s scumb and has no right to be alive but i’d want him to stay alive cause to me the death penalty is an easy way out let him waste his youth in jail for a murder and i hope he is tortured with thoughts on what he did

  60.  

    All this talk of killing, and retribution by more killing, is making me queasy. So many civilised people claiming that they would deliver the death sentence, but who of you really would? could you really take a life, and how would you go about it? Stab a screwdriver through his skull perhaps (an eye for an eye, biblical style), or fry him on an electric chair? maybe strangle him on a gibbet, or a nice clean firing squad. No I don’t think so.
    Most people can’t even stomach killing their own food and would baulk at dispatching even a dog or a cat, never mind actually extinguish a human life. -In a cold deliberate procedure? And now that you’re the hangman, what about the next young life you have to snuff out? and the next.

    No, i think it’s just the anger talking.
    Outrage.
    And rightly so.

    I don’t know about you but there is absolutely no way i want to live in a country where the state gets to murder people (We had enough of that in the twenties).
    The idea that this government, whom we don’t even trust to pave the roads properly, would be given the power of life and death. No thanks. we don’t even trust the cops enough to give them guns, cop on.

    Punishment. yes, maybe Curran should be punished, starved, beaten, spat on, raped in the showers, made suffer for eternity. And maybe we DO have the right to wish this upon him.
    Punishments. But for what purpose? what value, what is achieved?
    Well it would certainly make us feel better.

    Or we could try and reform him, educate him, feed him, cloth him, teach him how to fulfil his potential and release him back on to the street in 14 years as a model citizen.

    Yeah, Bollox to that.
    I only care about one thing. I want to be protected from that kind of violence. I demand that I not be forced to share the street with an animal like that.
    But Capital punishment makes the state as bad as the perpetrator (if not worse) and it’s hardly a punishment really- so it fails as a civilised response. there should only be one consideration when dealing with cases of violent crime -how do we protect society?
    So I agree with those of you who call for a reign of terror to be brought down on the heads of these street-scrapping scumbags: zero-tolerance of violent crime. long sentences, concurrent sentencing, and make jails into workhouses. Make them scared of jail, and if they persist in threatening society then lock them up and throw away the key, for good. I’m all for it.
    But please stop all this talk of killing.

  61.  

    It’s Myra Hindley on the cover,
    Your very own sweet anti-mother.
    There she is on the pages of The Star,
    Ain’t that just the place you wish you were?
    Let her rot in hell is what you said,
    Let her rot, let her starve, you’d see her dead.
    Let her out but don’t forget to tell you where she is,
    The chance to screw her is a chance you wouldn’t miss.
    Let her suffer, give her pain is the verdict you gave,
    You just can’t wait to piss on her grave.
    You pretend that you’re horrified, make out that you care,
    But really you wish that you had been there.
    You say you can’t bear the thought of what she did,
    But you’d do it to her, you’d see her dead.
    Tell me, what is the difference between her and you?
    You say that you would kill her, well, what else would you do?
    Don’t you see that violence has no end? Isn’t limited by rules?
    Don’t you see as angels preaching you’re nothing but the fools?
    Fools step in, where angels fear to tread,
    You see, to kill others is the ethic of the dead.
    That single mug shot from the past
    Ensures your fantasy can last and last.
    It gives you the chance to air your hate
    Because she got there first, you were too late.
    Hindleys’ crime was to do what others think,
    Took her anger and her prejudice and pushed it to the brink.
    Then you goodly christian people, with your sickly mask of love,
    Would tear that woman limb from limb, you’d never get enough.
    So you keep the story alive,
    So you can make yourselves believe,
    That you are so much better than her.
    But you aren’t, that’s YOUR GUILT laying there.

    -crass

  62.  

    Why were the girls not charged – they incited the whole thing. After the disagreement and scuffle at the chip shop – it was all done and dusted – but the girls wanted more. They called curran to come and get the guy. One of them was also laughing after the incident via text – they are scum, and should have had to spend a few years in a youth offenders unit – they facilitated the whole thing and thought it was fun!

  63.  

    they were not charged cos it cost the dpp to much money to prosecute the wee buck bags, and currans 15 year old cousin who also started the orignal row got let off to for the same reasons. currans probably getting bummed all the time in jail.

  64.  

    If you can’t have chain gangs, then solitary confinement is the way to go (or have a mixture, a while on solitary before chain gang (or vice versa?). For bad ones, they get no windows in solitary.
    It is not inhumane. They can just contemplate what they have done and how it got them to where they are. Seeing and hearing no-one is what they perhaps deserve, because no-one wants to see or hear them for what they have done. Their viewing and reading can be entirely restricted to whatever might give them insight on how they need to change.

  65.  

    Viewing and reading. Hmmm.

    I doubt if these boys ever read anything in their lives.

  66.  

    The whole thing basically started over nothing, more or less, wonder how he is coping in jail?

  67.  

    All of these comments show the real irish, outraged at these base acts of the lowest, filthy backward cretins full of hatred and failure, so many comments have never been seen in the british press, Bravo to the outraged of Ireland, decent people are the majority.
    Love you all.

  68.  

    Both of these are out on the streets now!

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