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Lawyers’ Fees Reduced by 80%

There was this fellow by the name of O’Brien, and he was boning a cow when it fell on him.

That can happen sometimes, as you might imagine, and it can cause serious injuries.  After all, a cow is heavy — even a dead one such as Mr O’Brien was boning.  He was injured and so he went to see a solicitor: one Mr Denis Boland, of PV Boland, Newbridge, County Kildare who duly contacted the Personal Injuries Assessment Board (PIAB) on behalf of his client.

It’s not surprising that Mr O’Brien went to see Mr Boland.

Mr Boland is the eminent lawyer who, together with his barrister colleague, Mr Alan Mahon, later the judge who took over the Planning Tribunal, successfully sued the State for many millions on behalf of his clients in the Army deafness cases.  For his efforts, Mr Boland earned €16 million from the State in addition to whatever money his clients were awarded.  Who wouldn’t recruit Mr Boland to fight their case?  I would, if a cow I was boning fell on me.

In passing, I might mention that, of the €300 million paid out by the State, about €100 million went to the lawyers involved.  I don’t know what PV Moran’s policy was, but I do know that some solicitors, having been paid by the State, also billed their clients for the work done on their behalf.

Legal costs have always been a huge problem and you might remember that the PIAB was set up as a means of reducing the penal levels of insurance premiums we had to pay.  The idea was that, instead of enduring a protracted, tedious and expensive legal process, you could go to them and they would adjudicate on the rights and wrongs of your case with little or no legal whataboutery.  Clearly, lawyers would not be happy with such an arrangement.   I can understand why lawyers would be unhappy with something that reduced their income.  If something caused me to have less cash, I’d be deeply peeved too, but such is life.  Less money for the lawyers, faster results, reasonable awards, smaller premiums for the rest of us.

The idea was to get the expensive lawyers out of the system so that more money was available for the injured parties.

Needless to mention, you could use a lawyer if you wished, in making your claim, but an over-helpful employee of the PIAB failed to appreciate this and contacted Mr O’Brien to tell him he didn’t need a solicitor.  All he needed was to send them a medical report.  This was true.  Furthermore, the case was not going to court and liability was admitted.  Mr O’Brien was going to get his money no matter what happened but he was still outraged at the suggestion that he didn’t need a solicitor — even though there was nothing for the solicitor to do.

Mr Boland, his lawyer, was — if such a thing could be possible — even more outraged than Mr O’Brien at the injustice inflicted on his client.  He understood quite clearly that everyone is entitled to legal representation.  Everyone is entitled to have a lawyer sitting beside them in a case that isn’t going to court and where everything is already agreed, so there will be no need for legal argument.  In Mr O’Brien he found a client who was absolutely ad idem with his philosophy. Mr O’Brien was prepared to fight the case on principle even though it might bankrupt him because he recognised the fundamental principle of justice that was at stake.

Fight away!  he told Mr Boland.  I’ll pay whatever it costsThe principle at stake here is too important to worry about money.

Proceedings were duly issued against the PIAB.  They went to the High Court and eventually the Supreme Court where, in the end, Mr O’Brien was vindicated.  The highest court in the land decided that he had the right to be represented by a lawyer in dealing with the PIAB if he so chose.

None of this is in doubt.

The PIAB lost and they had to pay Mr O’Brien’s substantial legal costs.  Mr O’Brien, being a disabled boner, is not a wealthy man, and it is no doubt to his credit that he recognised the great legal principle at stake and decided to take the case for the benefit of all future litigants, regardless of the personal cost to himself should he lose.

Mr O’Brien did not lose, however, and now his legal team were entitled to be paid for their endeavours both in the High Court and in the Supreme Court.

They submitted a total fee of €2.143 million against the PIAB and this fee then went to be taxed, which is an archaic way of saying that it was assessed by the Taxing Master.  This is the fellow who decides if lawyers are simply taking the piss, or if they’re riding the arse off the opposition when they send in their bills.  Bills which are simply taking the piss are perfectly acceptable, but giving it up the arse is frowned upon.

Hence, when a man who routinely approves excessive charges expresses disgust and bewilderment, alarm bells are bound to go jangling.  When the Taxing Master says the the level of costs are revolting in the extreme, you know there’s going to be trouble.

But when the Taxing Master cuts fees to a fifth of the amount sought, you really have to start asking yourself questions.

I have never encountered such grossly excessive fees, said Mr Moran, the Taxing Master.  I can hardly find the words strong enough to describe my disgust and bewilderment at the level of these costs being claimed.

He reduced Boland’s fees from €1,025,000 to €132,000.  In other words, a reduction of 87%.

He cut a claim for postage, photocopying, paper and sundries from €10,000 to €1,000.

The Taxing Master said that the costs before him were devoid of all reality, and bore no relationship to the issues involved or the nature or extent of the work undertaken.

I had to think about that for a while to try and understand exactly what Mr Moran is suggesting.  If I submit a bill which is devoid of all reality, it must presumably have no basis in fact, a bit like a Senator’s travelling expenses.  A bill which has no basis in fact is a false bill.  If I submit a bill to you which bears no relationship to the nature or extent of the work I do for you, I’m billing you for something I didn’t do.  That would be fraud, would it not?

If you told me that my explanation for being late for work was devoid of all reality, I would assume you were calling me a liar.

Is that what the Taxing Master is suggesting?  If so, the implications are staggering.  If I were a partner in Bolands, I’d be defending our good name vigorously against Mr Moran’s assertions because what he has said could be very damaging to a firm’s reputation.

I’m afraid the barristers didn’t come well out of the Taxing Master’s decision either.

Mr Gardiner and Mr Whelehan each asked €110,000 for their High Court services but were awarded only €25,000 each.  In the Supreme Court case, Mr Gardiner asked for €110,000 but received only €30,000.

Mr Cormac McNamara sought €75,000 for his Supreme Court work and was awarded €25,000 but his High Court taxing stands out, even though his claim was by no means the highest.

For his efforts in the High Court, Mr McNamara claimed €75,000 but the Taxing Master saw fit to award him the sum of ZERO, presumably on the basis that Mr Moran thought Mr McNamara had done no work at all to support his claim.

Not a sausage.

It’s as if I handed you a bill.  That’ll be ten thousand please, for landscaping your garden.

You didn’t landscape my garden.

Yes I did.

No you didn’t.

Yes I did.  Ten grand please.

No, you didn’t.  I have no garden.

Yes you have.

No I haven’t.  I live in an apartment.

Oh.  Right.

As the Taxing Master put it, The reality is that no case can or could be made to support these fees or justify their level.

You would have to ask yourself why such enormous costs were submitted in this particular case above all others, and they certainly are unique when the Taxing Master himself tells us that he has never seen the like.

The case is under appeal and therefore I would encourage readers to exercise restraint in their comments as I don’t wish to be up all night deleting prejudicial comments.  Luckily,  I’m sure the members of the High Court are not unduly influenced by intemperate things said on Bock the Robber in the middle of the night by drunkards.



2nd July

The Irish Times carries a report that the barristers won’t be appealing the decision of the Taxing Master.  According to the report, the barristers are saying their fees were submitted at the request of the solicitors PV Boland, on the advice of a legal cost accountant, Connolly Lowe.  The Taxing Master was highly uncomplimentary towards the work of this firm.  He said their efforts to make a case for such high costs had failed dismally.

Now, apparently, the barristers are saying that they never submitted detailed figures for fees but instead told the solicitor, PV Boland, that they would accept whatever the Taxing Master thought was fair.  One of them, Dan Boland, whose fee was reduced from €75,000 to €16,670, said that he would never submit a fee of that size, and that he wasn’t aware of the Taxing Master’s comments and didn’t even know his fees had been submitted for assessment.

I can’t imagine that any of the barristers are too pleased at the way this makes them look.

It appears that Mr Denis Boland, solicitor, will be on his own in appealing the reduction of his fees, when he tries to get the full €1,025,000 he believes he’s owed, as opposed to the paltry €132,000 the Taxing Master thinks he should have.

Let us not forget that this is taxpayers’ money we’re talking about.

I rarely find myself on the same page as IBEC, but I must say I agree with a comment from their director general Danny McCoy who said Where fees are grossly overstated there is a case for all entitlements to be forfeited.

In other words, Mr McCoy thinks Mr Boland should receive not a penny, and that’s a suggestion I would not argue with.

On the evidence before us, it’s hard to escape the suspicion that somebody decided to teach the PIAB a lesson for daring to exclude the lawyers from the lucrative world of personal injuries.  I hope an investigation is carried out to establish whether there’s any substance to this suspicion.

26 replies on “Lawyers’ Fees Reduced by 80%”

Boning a dead cow, bovine necrophilia – and he’s looking for compo. Jesus he has some neck.

A worried woman goes to the doctor.
She asks doctor “can I pregnant if I have anal sex?”
Doctor replies ” My dear woman of course you can, Where do you think lawyers come from”

Are you a lawyer yourself by any chance Bock? What the Taxing Master meant was that the bills put in where so outrageous that they cannot be justified. They were claiming more for a few hours work than the American president makes in a year. But I for one am not surprised. What does surprise me is that the O’Brien guy took an action at all instead of taking the advice given and ditching his solicitor. But then I am not a compo type of guy. But legally you may be correct.

Peter A — It matters not a jot what I am. Take what you want from my posts and leave the rest if they’re not to your liking.

Was he boning the cow or de-boning, as in working in a abattoir and a carcass fell on him ?

if o’brien had lost the case, would he have had to pay his lawyers fee, and would that fee have been looked at by the taxing master? did the high court decide that he did not have the right to legal representation when dealing with the PIAB? how did this case end up in the supreme court?

Bock as you point out. The taxing masters decision is under appeal. So I will not hold my breath as to the outcome. Watch this space.

On a point of order! The PIAB do not adjudicate upon the rights or wrongs of anything, they value damages only, including loss of earnings and the like. There is no doubt in this case that the lawers decided the would attempt to exact vengence on the injuries board for killing the golden goose. There are many cases where the rights and wrongs (liability) are not disputed, and are therefore suitable cases for the PIAB to assess damages. You may be interested to know that persons who have lawyers representing them in their injuries board cases have to pay their own lawyers out of their own pocket, viz, the award. Pretty hard to pay the €1 million odd out of your €50,000 settlement. Further info on

Red Mist — It’s true they don’t decide on the rights and wrongs, and perhaps I should have chosen a different way to put it, but that’s somewhat peripheral. As you point out, it’s hard to escape the conclusion that the lawyers were reminding the PIAB who’s boss, since they had no hope of recovering such large fees from Mr O’Brien.

They all obviously joined the legal profession for altruistic reasons!
Was it GB Shaw that said ” The professions are a conspiracy against the laity.”?

Bock we seem to have a mis-understanding. I only look at the site because I enjoy your take on life. Reality I would call it. You are just much better than I with words.

Peter — I don’t mean to give offence, but I do like to guard my personal details as much as possible and I hope you will understand this.

I share your bewilderment regarding Mr O’Brien’s decision to fight this all the way to the Supreme Court. He’s clearly a man of unbelievably high principle who cared not one jot that Mr Boland’s fees might bankrupt him should he lose. Mr O’Brien cared only for the protection of future litigants. This is not an attitude we have come to associate with out-of-work boners.

It may have been that Mr Boland assuaged his fears somewhat by offering a slight reduction in fees, but this is pure speculation. I don’t know.

Like me, all you can do is draw your own conclusions. As Sherlock Holmes said, when you eliminate everything else, whatever is left – however implausible – must be the truth.

Its like the auld “watchya mean the state is buying the land?? sure we’ll have to bump up the auld price there, and sure, aren’t we on a percentage! (cause its harder to sell a mansion to a wealthy person than it is an estate to a young couple) Its been happening for years, and PIAB or The Injuries Board as is was so costly to the taxpayer changed, well thats just another place to put the civil servants, whom might i add rarely decided litigation wasn’t the best option!

If you don’t have deep pockets you don’t get justice, simple as, or unless you’ve had a cow break you down, well that’s simply down right not on!

Where is the outrage against this barefaced attempt by a bunch of unprincipled lawyers and solicitors to soak the taxpayer? Here we have a former Attorney-General submitting a bill for 110,000 euros-(reduced to 25,000). Such a blatant gang of chancers-yet I have not seen any letters to a newspaper about this. Also I have heard very little or nothing from Pat Kenny,Joe Duffy,Marion Finnucane,Eamon Dunphy,George Hook,Kevin Myers, Matt Cooper,Fintan O Toole- I thought this kind of shitehawking would be like manna from Heaven to them- maybe I missed it.Ivor Callely claimed 81,000 over three years- yet these learned sleeveens wanted almost 2.2 million for (I think)2 days in the High Court and 1 day in the Supreme Court-mindboggling.These legal assholes have been riding us for years, and it has to stop.

Chigago, many of the names you mentioned are civil servants in some respect, or supervised by a high ranking civil servant, why would they report it? Same smoke screen different day.

how dare anybody reflect on our legal representitivesin this fashion they are only rubbing their hands because they are cold

Bock—Irish Independent Aug 12 the P.I.A.B.”welcomed a decision by Mr O’Brien’s solicitors to withdraw objections to a reduction in legal fees in the case by 82%”—surprise,surprise.I’ll bet the Law Library and nearly every solicitor and barrister in the country were on their case–“don’t rock the boat–don’t fuck up the gravy train for the rest of us honest professionals–be content with your paltry E132.000–there’ll be another day–the last thing we need is for Liveline or some decent journalist or politician (if there is such a being)getting stuck into it.”I have a good mind to go down to my local station–like that guy did with Callely–and try and get PV Boland charged with fraud–what do you think Bock? Great initial posting–let’s not let these wankers get away with this shit.

chigago, if it is not doing any physical harm to you or others is it so wrong? there are worse criminals out there. i would be surprised if you had not tried for a bit extra when you could. i know i have done so as many others. you would only be wasting police time, better spent catching criminals.

Obafemi — You’re dead right. I don’t know why we bother checking these bills. After all, the country has loads of money, and it’s only a couple of million.

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