Sep 272010
 

According to a report two and a half years in the making, Ireland suffers from a high level of “legal corruption”, where business and politics are too close for comfort. I would largely call this self-evident, and I’m sure just about any sensible individual here would think the same. High ranking politicians serve on the boards of high level businesses. Businessmen gain civil positions with relative ease. In many ways, the two are largely indistinguishable from each other.

The question today, at least, is not entirely concerned with the similarities between two different facets of the Irish elite. Let’s go back to the politicians, and see if there is a significant difference in corruption between the political parties. This largely means comparing Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael, although I will try to include the smaller parties where I can.

The Past

Since 1937, Fianna Fáil have been in power for roughly 40 years, and Fine Gael have been in power 23 years. (I will abbreviate them FF and FG.) FF were in power alone, for the most part – their first coalition government was with the Progressive Democrats in 1989. FG, in comparison, have never been in power without a coalition, normally with Labour.

Dr. Elaine Byrne has written much about the history of corruption in Ireland. Her article from Transparency Ireland has a brief description of the relevant law; in essence, she plots out a national sense of romanticism that took hold after independence, encapsulated in the idea that Ireland had such a high moral consciousness that laws were not needed to combat corruption. Self-regulation, apparently, was the way to go even when it was shown to have failed. Ireland only gained specific anti-corruption laws in 1995.

It goes without saying that FF have had the greater opportunity and means to be corrupt. But it is worth noting that FF have only been in power a little over twice as long as FG; should we see the same ratio of corruption between the two as well? That assumes all else being equal, which is not very likely, and measuring corruption is rather difficult.

Nevertheless, let us try to make some kind of comparison.

The Present

The first page list of a google search for “Fianna fail corruption” returns a full ten links which discuss or allege corruption on the part of FF. The third link is the FF Wikipedia entry. Of the list returned by the same search done for Fine Gael, the first two links refer to the same Politics.ie thread listing improper acts by FG. All other links are tangental, and do not discuss or allege corruption by FG.

The fifth link is, once again, the FF Wikipedia entry.

Running the same search for Labour and the Greens turns up nothing of interest, bar echoes of disgust that the Greens may have facilitated FF corruption in order to stay in power and Labour might do the same.

What we can gather from this is that corruption on the part of FF is far, far more visible than that done by other political parties, to the point where corruption is synonymous with Fianna Fáil in the Irish political sphere. It’s a rather damning situation when you consider that FF have only been in power twice as long as FG and others; as they say, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Examples

Instances of FF corruption have been well documented, so there is no need to go back over them again. Let’s look instead at FG – these are not all the instances I know of, but I believe they are representative.

In 1996, it was revealed that Michael Lowry had an extension to his house paid for by businessman Ben Dunne. He was also found to have taken payments for, once again, favours for wealthy businessmen in the best Irish tradition. He resigned from Fine Gael, became an independent, and (tellingly) now supports the FF government.

In 2001, Fine Gael were under inquiry regarding their taxes for a nine year period ending in 1995, and made a contribution to the revenue to settle all outstanding issues which cost over £111,000 punts. This was for “under the counter” payments to employees where they did not pay PRSI and other taxes.

In 2003, Liam Cosgrave resigned from Fine Gael when it became known through the Flood Tribunal that he had accepted donations to rezone land favourably to property developers. He pleaded guilty in 2005 to donations offence – that is to say, he did not declare donations where he was obliged to by law.

In 2009, Fine Gael councillor Anne Devitt was listed as a tax defaulter and paid €50,000 to the revenue as a settlement.

Something that I find very interesting about these instances is that the politicians in question resign or make reparations in every case. Liam Cosgrave and Michael Lowry left FG or were evicted, once it became known that they had acted in a corrupt fashion. Others paid what they owed, or in the case of Dr. Garret Fitzgerald, exhausted their assets to pay what they could.

Dr. Fitzgerald’s case is very interesting because of the specific mention of it in the Moriarty tribunal that compares him with his contemporary, the infamous Charles Haughey. From their report:

In summary it would appear that in compromising his indebtedness with the Bank, Dr. Fitzgerald disposed of his only substantial asset, namely, his family home at Palmerston Road, a property which would now be worth a considerable sum of money. As in Mr. Haughey’s case, there was a substantial discounting or forbearance shown in Dr. Fitzgerald’s case. However in contrast with Mr. Haughey’s case, Dr. Fitzgerald’s case involved the effective exhaustion of his assets in order to achieve a settlement whereas Mr. Haughey’s assets were retained virtually intact.

Fitzgerald received a loan from Ansbacher in order to invest in a company that subsequently went bust. He received the loan under more favourable circumstances than normal, it seems, but once the company failed, he did all he could to repay it and cooperated as required. This was after his involvement in Irish politics. Compare that to the massive financial misconduct of Haughey during his time in office, for which he fought the tribunals at every turn…

Although I can’t find any actual allegations of corruption in the Greens, there is a feeling that they share part of the blame for willingly going into government with FF, knowing as we all did that FF were corrupt, and allowing the train wreck of NAMA to take shape. Their actions are indicative of the whole mentality of ‘power at any cost’ that permeates Irish politics, and it’s worth noting here at least. The Public Inquiry blog predicts that they will leave the coalition soon, but I fear that the more power hungry members will keep the party there well past its due date.

I can’t find any allegations of corruption in Labour, and details on the same in the Progressive Democrats seem vague.

Politically Speaking

It’s worth noting how politicians feel about corruption, in general or in specific instances. Ivor Callely is a fine test case, although I tried to find a statement from Enda Kenny on him and I came up with nothing. (Perhaps I’m looking in the wrong places?) The Public Enquiry blog has done the work for us in compiling a list of statements from other various notable figures regarding Callely and expenses.

Two in particular stood out for me. The first, from FG Senator Regan:

I think this is an important issue, an issue of fraud by a member of this house.

He was immediately asked to withdraw that statement, and did so. The second, from FF/Independent TD Jackie Healy Rae, regarding the fact that he travels to and from the Dáil with another TD, and whether one or both of them claim expenses:

I know my own business and I won’t be declaring it to you or anybody else.

Do look at that full list, if you can. It makes for very interesting reading. What really stands out about these two statements is what it says about their parties, when you examine them a little closer.

On one hand, we have Fine Gael – a party led by a non-entity and apparently composed of politicians who cannot stand up for their own opinions for fear of losing political capital. Senator Regan expressed a valid opinion which has a quite solid base considering what we know so far about Callely’s actions. A Seanad committee found that he had intentionally misrepresented where he lived in order to claim over €80,000 in expenses, and he’s responded by trying to block any investigation. Believe it or not, there’s another word for when you intentionally misrepresent information for monetary gain, and that word is ‘fraud’.

On the other hand, we have Fianna Fáil – a party of arrogance and zero accountability that wavers between open hostility and twisted evasion of the public’s questions.

Other quotes from the article are representative, I think:

“Apparently he (Callely) is hunting for a get out clause. I think it’s all very nauseating and awfully bad for the body politic and it’s wrong, wrong, wrong.”

“The answers that have come forward to date are not very clear. Senator Callely has to explain the situation to the Senate Committee… There are certainly serious questions being asked and I believe he should be absolutely up front and clear about it.”

“I’m very conscious listening to the discussion so far that the Irish public is listening out there very, very worried and probably incensed… They’re not understanding some of the language that’s being used -vouched, unvouched etc and I think it’s very confusing.”

And where would we be without a quote from the Taoiseach? Brian Cowen has said that Callely should ‘consider his position’, and it seems that he will not ask him to resign from the Seanad because it could be embarrassing if he refuses. Could we hope to be treated so gently if we were under investigation for massive fraud? I think not.

Other quotes in that article are typically wishy-washy. Only Senator Doherty from Sinn Féin had the balls to call out another politician directly, when he questioned why FG TD Dinny McGinley was claiming so much more in expenses for traveling the same distance as him. No one – no one– condemned Callely for his actions and the damage he has done to the trust between the government and the public.

Between a Rock and a Hard Place

The conclusion that I would draw here is that not all political parties are created equal in Ireland when it comes to corruption – but we still have no real options if we desire to vote for a truly capable, honest party.

Fianna Fáil have shown themselves to have a culture of systematic legal corruption, where it is silently tolerated or encouraged as long as it does not cause the party to lose face. I think it’s clear that any political party that puts its own image and power so far above the needs of the country is not fit to govern.

Fine Gael have shown themselves to be more honest than Fianna Fáil, but that they are still worthless as the opposition. Honesty counts for little if the political party in question is completely unwilling to rock the boat or call their opponents out for their mistakes and crimes; such a party does not have the courage or will to govern.

Labour, the Greens and others are largely non-existent in the face of FF and FG, probably due to their respective party sizes. So, we have a choice between the corrupt, the less corrupt-more honest-but largely spineless, and the gamble that somehow Labour would be able to cobble together a working Dáil from everyone left over.

The Future

It will take a massive paradigm shift in the consciousness of the Dáil, and indeed the voting Irish public, to really put a stop to legal corruption in Ireland. It could also take a huge amount of luck if enough non-FF/FG politicians were elected to create a new, unknown and untested government, and if that government were really committed to the ideals of transparency and accountability. Could Labour deliver that, knowing the Greens sold their soul to get into power once? Maybe they could, if the alternative was corruption on a grand scale by the strong, or corruption on a minor scale by the weak.

This, however, would not be something I’d bet on. I feel for every honest politician in Ireland, from every party. They are sorely and completely outnumbered, and they will have their work cut out for them if they want to effect real change.

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  1.  

    Interesting article. It’s no surprise there’s a lot more on Google under FF than FG. When you’re in power for so long it makes sense you’ll be more corrupt because you have the power to be corrupt. Plus the media are more likely to try and find corruption in govt than the opposition.

    If the tables were turned and FG were in power for as long as FF then they would be just as corrupt. It would be naive for anyone to think that FG or Labour wouldn’t be as corrupt. How about the likes of PJ Sheehan threatening members of the gardai for example?

    As for the Greens, whatever about corruption or lack of on their part, their ridiculous policies are destroying the country at the moment. I’d rather if one or two were taking backhanders coupled with decent policies.

  2.  

    @Caligula

    I’ve no doubt they would be just as bad. I’m looking at the current picture, however, and trying to make some sense of the differences between them as they are now – not as they might have been.

    Perhaps I should just label them Party A and Party B?

  3.  

    Thanks for the links Claire. I’ll check them out. Very good article.

  4.  

    Great article Claire, Will check all that out, Thanks.

  5.  

    “I can’t find any allegations of corruption in Labour, and details on the same in the Progressive Democrats seem vague.” says the article above. Surely Labour facilitating a tax amnesty for tax dodgers when in power with FF was a corruption of Labour values! Indeed doing a deal with FF in the first instance had a barefaced cheek about it.

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    @Poll Dorcha

    I missed this. If you have any more information, add it here please – it should be a part of the article.

  7.  

    Excellent analysis. Should be submitted to any newspaper or magazine that would print it. Maybe The Phoenix/Village or Brian Cowans fav mag News Week. Really liked it Claire

  8.  

    There was a time in one coalition where Labour and Democratic Left, now all members of the Labour Party supported F/F

  9.  

    @Claire Ryan. Very well researched and well written. Who asked Senator Regan to withdraw the fraud remark and did he comply?
    As for jackie Healt Rae’s response, my only comment is that they put the dung catchers on the wrong animals down in Kerry.
    I would disagree with putting Garrett Fitzgerald’s name in the article even though you do explain that it was simply an investment that went wrong. The point has been made that he is comparable to Haughey or Fitzpatrick in that he is reputed not to have paid back all that he borrowed. He had left politics at the time he borrowed the money and had to sell his house to settle with them.
    In any case he has been one of the view visible patriots in this miserable country over the last 40 years.

  10.  

    Claire, Party A and Party B would do nicely. I used to think that the old hackneyed line of all politicians being the same was too cynical. I now know for sure that all politicians are the same.

  11.  

    Hmmm. Nice article.

    1. The definitions of corruption here are very crude and probably libelous.
    2. There is a very, very definite cases of ethically questionable behaviour within the Labour party, by a well known former Labour Minister.
    3. Researching alleged instances of corruption via google kinda goes contrary to the whole clandestine modus operandi of corruption.

    That is all.

  12.  

    Claire

    “Fianna Fáil have shown themselves to have a culture of systematic legal corruption, where it is silently tolerated or encouraged as long as it does not cause the party to lose face.”

    That is not unreasonable.

    However, if you see Ireland as a Mafia State (a Kleptocracy, organised theft by those who make the law) it is not just Fianna Fail that are corrupt.

    Just as the Mafia need (or is that needed, we don’t here too much of them these days) someone to cook, clean and whore for them so do Fianna Fail.

    So they use the State to buy what they need. They cannot take it all for themselves they would I have no doubt be violently overthrown (not suggesting that).

    So, if I have explained myself correctly, they need to corrupt an optimum level of the population that in turn keeps the rest of the population down.

    They, and those that sup at their table, are basically crooks. I’d say there are about 300,000 of them. And no, I’m not referring to the Public Service.

    The rest exist at their will and only as objects to be used for their enrichment or pleasure.

  13.  

    Politicians and the Clergy are a law onto themselves the laws of the common people don’t apply to them.
    Why should they care they still get voted back into office people still go to mass, but don’t give up the fight Bock we at least know they are criminals.

  14.  

    @Pippygoats –

    I imagine the point of referring to google was to demonstrate the amount of published material on corruption in Irish politics, as opposed to our ‘awareness’ of it.

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    @Pippygoats

    1. Corruption is very difficult to quantify, as I mentioned. I contend that none of this is libellous, as it is all based on freely available information and, to the best of my knowledge of Irish law, it is all true. (It needs to be false to be considered libel.)

    2. This is the second time someone has mentioned corruption in Labour. Could someone please point me to more information?

    3. How exactly are we supposed to write about corruption if it’s all hidden? I have no direct line to the inner thoughts of Fianna Fáil, and I don’t know where the bodies are buried. Until I get that, I write based on information available to all of us, which is as much as other people have managed to bring to light, and the vast majority of that is available online. Look at what I said regarding the google analysis – “What we can gather from this is that corruption on the part of FF is far, far more visible than that done by other political parties, to the point where corruption is synonymous with Fianna Fáil in the Irish political sphere.” It doesn’t quantify the absolute level of corruption. The point is that FF is at the forefront of the public consciousness of corruption, almost to the exclusion of the other parties.

    This isn’t an exact analysis, much as I’d like it to be. In the absence of complete disclosure by the parties, we have to go with what we can get.

    @Tumbrel Cart

    Although Garret Fitzgerald did make reparations, and his was a failed investment rather than the defrauding of an entire country, he still received the loan under more favourable conditions because of his previous political office. He does not get a free pass because he’s a patriot, or because he wasn’t as bad as Haughey.

    No one gets a free pass, not even me. If I’ve made mistakes or missed something, I want to know about it.

  16.  

    Hows about a relatively easy solution.

    next time around vote for anyone (non fianna fail gene pool, that’s already rotten to the core) who is running for the first time with a couple of provisos:
    1. that they must have some sort of coherent policies that they are going to implement.
    2. They must lodge all of their assets with the state. Their assets then go up or down as the national index does. If the economy grows, their money grows, if it drops so does theirs.

    If they haven’t been there before and haven’t tasted from the corruption, they don’t come from fianna fail and if their own money is at stake then maybe, just maybe things will change.

  17.  

    Perhaps another thing to consider would be to make any promises they make into a legally binding agreement with the public.Legal action against them then being possible if the promises are proven to be false and made only for the purpose of getting elected

  18.  

    Before I make my main point, allow me to get some unpleasantness out of the way.

    Even as someone who will vote Labour at the next election (soon, please, soon) I find this article chronically under-researched to the point of being almost useless. You weren’t aware of the tax amnesty, no mention of The Workers’ Party (who comprise a sizeable portion of Labour’s front bench) and their dodgy £5 notes . In other words, you have little knowledge of Irish Politics and you have done a rudimentary google search. Woodward & Bernstein must be quaking. If you are going to do a think-piece about corruption, and someone should, then it should be better researched than this.

    Ok, having said all that, if you want to see the political lab-rats at work, and how all parties are equally shabby, look no further than our wonderful local councils, where they all share power, and the grubby benefits of same.

    Research that and you will see that not one party remains untainted by corruption, they are equal-opportunity blackguards, one and all.

  19.  

    Regarding FG, Lab, and corruption – no argument that they’re both vastly cleaner parties than FF.

    However, they’ve never had two consecutive terms in govt – all the recent FG/Lab coalitions have had a single term (not counting the pre-WW2 Cumann na Gael).

    It seems to take a party more than one term for the real arrogance and nastiness to kick in. That odious sense of entitlement that you seen in FFers or the Tories. The British Tories have never been saints, but by their 3rd & 4th terms in 1987/1992 they really started to be “the nasty party” – even staying in that mode well into opposition.

    Same process happens in the US – look at the Republicans after they’d had control of Congress for 10 years – they didn’t see a congressional page that they didn’t want to bugger.

    In addition, one must factor in the record of time served. Though the split is 40/27 years, if you take the more recent era, from say 1970, (40 years), FG have had only ~12 years, and FF 28. An even worse ratio.

    FF is “the natural party of government” (gawd help us) – so those of a corrupt bent know the party that needs to be buttered up and bribed – purchasing influence in FG wouldn’t be a wise move, especially not in the last 2 decades. They’ve spent less time in govt than the PDs or Labour – parties with much smaller shares of the vote. This is partly due to the mathematics of the dail, but partly due to their amateurism. I use the word ‘amateur’ in the strict sense of the word:

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/amateur

    1. a person who engages in a study, sport, or other activity for pleasure rather than for financial benefit or professional reasons.

    FF are professionals, NOT to imply competence, which they don’t possess, but in the sense that their livelihood depends on politics. (See: C.J. Haughey, Ray Burke, Willie O Dea, Sean Doherty, every member of the Lenihan family, etc.) What would these gombeens do if they couldn’t follow a career in politics? – and if they weren’t allowed to write third rate FF-fluffing columns in the INDO?

    Not ALL of course, but the majority of FF’ers are ‘professional’, and the majority of FG are ‘amateur’. They’re just not playing the same game. One team is in training all week, the other practices every second weekend.

    And it shows.

    So, bribe an FG td (if you can find one that’s bribable), and he might spend 5 years out of 20 in govt (with a growing Labour vote, the days of 12 FG ministers and 4 Labour ones are long gone – it’ll be closer to 8-8) – so his chances of planting plump arse cheeks in a Ministerial Merc are slim indeed.

    OR, hand over your ‘political donation’ to your local FF operator – worst case scenario, he’ll be junior minister for impoverishment no later than 5 years from now.

    Now, pass de brown envelope. Or, do you have a paypal account?

  20.  

    “O’Dea claiming travel expenses while hitching a lift with TD”

    http://www.tribune.ie/article/2010/jun/20/odea-claiming-travel-expenses-while-hitching-a-lif/

    “FORMER minister Willie O’Dea has been claiming thousands of euro in travel expenses even though he has been hitching a lift with a Fianna Fáil colleague.

    O’Dea, who had a personal driver for more than 10 years, discovered on stepping down from cabinet that his driving licence had elapsed because it had been so long since he had to drive himself.

    Since his resignation, he has been taking a lift to Dublin with Fianna Fáil TD Niall Collins.

    However, O’Dea has continued to claim the full amount in his travel and accommodation allowance.

    The travel and accommodation allowance under a new expenses system amounts to €33,722 each year, around half of which relates to mileage. The former minister has been categorised as a Level 6 TD, living less than 210 kilometres from the Dáil, and is also entitled to other expenses, which he has chosen to vouch.

    In the months of March and April, O’Dea claimed €9,902 – the maximum that is available under the new expenses regime.

  21.  

    @Robert

    “Even as someone who will vote Labour at the next election (soon, please, soon) I find this article chronically under-researched to the point of being almost useless. You weren’t aware of the tax amnesty, no mention of The Workers’ Party (who comprise a sizeable portion of Labour’s front bench) and their dodgy £5 notes . In other words, you have little knowledge of Irish Politics and you have done a rudimentary google search. Woodward & Bernstein must be quaking. If you are going to do a think-piece about corruption, and someone should, then it should be better researched than this.”

    You know what? At least I’m trying. Half of the problem is that there is nowhere to start, when I try to look up this info. Without being an insider, it seems, trying to make sense of all of this is incredibly difficult. So I’m limited to Google, newspaper articles, and whatever else I can find online – call it rudimentary if you want, though it certainly didn’t feel like that when I did it, but I’m an outsider looking into the cesspool and this is what I can see.

    If you can do a better job – and you’ve said that someone needs to do it – then step up and do it. I’d give anything to have access to all the relevant data and to be able to do a proper study, but I don’t.

    “Ok, having said all that, if you want to see the political lab-rats at work, and how all parties are equally shabby, look no further than our wonderful local councils, where they all share power, and the grubby benefits of same.

    Research that and you will see that not one party remains untainted by corruption, they are equal-opportunity blackguards, one and all.”

    Where do I start? Which council? What names? What instances or events? Can you give me something, anything, to go on, or should I just… start googling? Or calling my local council to ask if they’re crooked?

  22.  

    I know this may come as a surprise to some but, apart from google, there are these things called “books” which contain information about all sorts of wonderful things like corruption. I’m not sure if “books” still exist but apparently they contain logical, researched, thoughtful and non-normative arguments about the theory and practice of corruption.

    Claire, well done on your research but don’t limit yourself into falling into the trap of assuming that the only research on this topic is contained in a goggle search. The world of research is far more exciting than that.

  23.  

    Keep of the good work Claire.

    You may find this book useful.

    Remember……In 1982 Fianna Fail relied on the support of Workers party TDs while some of this stuff was still going on in the background.

    http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Revolution-Story-Official-Workers/dp/1844881202/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1285769868&sr=1-2

    Editorial Reviews
    Product Description
    Everybody knows about the Provisional IRA, which perpetrated the lion’s share of republican violence during the Troubles. But there was another IRA, the Official IRA: a republican-socialist paramilitary organization that played an underestimated part in the Troubles and was linked to a series of political parties which eventually achieved a striking influence in the south of Ireland while attempting to bring about an Irish socialist republic. In “The Lost Revolution”, Brian Hanley and Scott Millar tell the full story of this movement for the first time. Hanley and Millar trace the development of republican socialism through the civil rights movement, the outbreak of the Troubles and the IRA split. They show that the Official IRA continued to operate long after its 1972 cease-fire, and document the use of armed robbery and other forms of crime to fund the movement. And they chronicle the growth – in sophistication and popularity – of the Workers’ Party, which was a force to be reckoned with in the Dail during the 1980s and (as Democratic Left) early 1990s. Although ultimately unsuccessful, the Official republican movement played a decisive role in the shaping of modern Ireland. A roll-call of influential personalities in the fields of politics, trade unionism and the media – including Eamon Gilmore, Eoghan Harris, Liz McManus and Des Geraghty – passed through its ranks. The story of contemporary Ireland is inseparable from the story of the Official republican movement, a story never before told.

    About the Author
    Brian Hanley is a lecturer in Irish history at the Queen’s University, Belfast, and the author of A Guide to Irish Military Heritage and The IRA 1926-1936. Scott Millar is a journalist with the Irish Examiner.

  24.  

    ‘I feel for every honest politician in Ireland’ . . . .!

    BOCK, there are no honest politicians in Ireland. A good example of an oxymoron to put such a thing.

    I have been assuming you knew about the facts of politics in this shambling republic.

    Hmmmm . . . .

  25.  

    p.s. Apologies Claire for calling you BOCK.

  26.  

    Well Claire I thought it was excellent, you can always improve everything but at least someone is doing this work! High time this kind of thing was highlighted.

  27.  

    @Claire. It seems a number of people who responded to article do not like your placing Fianna Fail at the top of the corruption list.
    Well we got the easy part of the corruption bill yesterday. €50 billion.
    The hard part is the emigration, cuts in services, suicides, loss of hope. That is all to come.

    The amazing think is that there is no apology, no admission of guilt. It is almost as if it was Fianna Fail’s country and they had a divine right to destroy it if they wished.
    No apology.
    Just a request to balance the corruption scales. It is almost impossible. The scales have been weighted down to breaking point by Fianna Fail’s corruption.

  28.  

    Hi Claire,

    I have to say fair play to you. This is an excellent article, well written and witty. Yes, corruption is a very difficult topic to research, but I have a few suggestions for you (am currently researching it myself). Neil Collins and Mary O’Shea’s book ” Understanding Corruption in Irish Politics” is excellent. Another is Paul Cullen’s book “With a Little Help From My Friends”.

    Keep up the good work!
    Also, I agree with Claire, can anyone tell me where I can get info on Labour and corruption.

  29.  

    Thady Coughlan one time mayor of limerick worked for angelo irish bank, labour party member at the time. Any help, Del?

  30.  

    Enda Kenny instructed Frank Feighan to deal with a Dangerous House on Main St. Loughglynn, Co. Roscommon. Frank fled. I informed Enda, he passed that CRIME to the Minister for Justice, Alan Shatter. Alan never ACTED. I informed Enda, Enda has gone SILENT. The dangerous building is CONTRARY to the Planning which stated to Demolish NOT Renovate. I stated that I would DROP the Litigation if the Council secured the dangerous building. That has not happened and litigation will proceed. Do not worry about Silence in relation to Litigation when this is a Point Of Public Importance.

  31.  

    Eugene, get a grip. Even if a building is dangerous, that is not a crime. And stop SHOUTING. Ok?

    I googled Frank Feighan. He seems to be a politician. Politicians have no authority to deal with dangerous buildings, so what point, precisely, are you making?

    This is sounding like a Fine Gael version of Fianna Fail bullshit.

  32.  

    What house would that be eugene?

  33.  

    The dangerous house can be viewed on street map in Loughglynn, the house with the archway 4th house east of the church. In March 2015 the lives of the Fire Brigade crew was endangered when they were called to a fire in the dangerous house. Two Firemen died in a dangerous house in Bray, that results in Fraud on the Taxpayer when families must be compensated, all because of Corrupt Councils. I have given a statement to the Gardai re the Fraud as the Council have failed to enforce the Planning. I believe that the Fire crew were not aware that their lives were endangered. All implicated in this ongoing Crime are Party to endangering lives, a Criminal Offence. Every citizen is obliged by Law to report Crime, this includes Politicians along with the fact that they can demand an investigation of Corrupt Councils.

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