Statement by Government of Ireland On Holy See Response to Cloyne

I can think of nothing to add to the Irish government’s statement on the Holy See’s legalistic, dishonest and self-serving comments last week.  It signals clearly that the time has passed when any Irish government will put up with the word-games, the half-truths, all the evasions and all the mental reservation of the Vatican lawyers who cobbled together that disgraceful document.

Here’s the full text.


The Government of Ireland thanks the Holy See for its response of 3 September regarding the report of the Commission of Investigation into the Catholic Diocese of Cloyne (the Cloyne Report) and the representations made to it by the Tánaiste in this regard in his meeting with the Apostolic Nuncio on 14 July 2011.

The Government acknowledges and welcomes the statement in the response that the Holy See is sorry and ashamed for the terrible sufferings which the victims of abuse and their families have endured. The victims of abuse and their families must remain foremost in our considerations.

Having considered carefully the Cloyne Report and the response of the Holy See, the Government of Ireland remains of the view that the content of the confidential letter in 1997 from the then Apostolic Nuncio, Archbishop Storero , to the Irish Bishops, regardless of whether or not it was intended to do so, provided a pretext for some members of the clergy to evade full cooperation with the Irish civil authorities in regard to the abuse of minors. This is a matter of great concern to the Irish Government.

The Government of Ireland notes the comments in the Holy See’s response on the political debate which ensued in Ireland after the publication of the Cloyne Report and in particular the statements made by the Taoiseach and other political leaders. The Government of Ireland must point out that the comments made by the Taoiseach and other political leaders accurately reflect the public anger of the overwhelming majority of Irish people at the failure of the Catholic Church in Ireland and the Holy See to deal adequately with clerical child sexual abuse and those who committed such appalling acts.

It is the Government of Ireland’s hope that, in spite of outstanding differences, lessons have been learned from appalling past failures. In this regard, it welcomes the commitment in the concluding remarks of the Holy See’s response to a constructive dialogue and cooperation with the Government. In welcoming this commitment the Government expects the fullest cooperation from the Holy See, the Catholic Church in Ireland and all other relevant bodies with a view to ensuring that Ireland is a society fully safe for children and minors and that all of those with responsibility for the welfare and care of children in this country are fully subject to Irish laws and requirements.

11 thoughts on “Statement by Government of Ireland On Holy See Response to Cloyne

  1. The Church is still operating throughout the country.
    The Church still owns most of the schools.
    The government are afraid of their own shit when it comes to doing what needs doing.

  2. Fact is

    1. Bishops and any clerics who knew of the crimes albeit after the fact (we presume) and their failure to report a crime is an offense (must check the actual statute). They could have been arrested by the Gardai for that alone

    2. It would seem also that many parents and victims reported the crimes directly to the church and in many instances were silenced by the ‘fear of god’ (note small g) from telling the civil authorities. This must also be a crime in that this was pressure/persuasion to not report a crime.

    3. In tandem with the child abuse (or molestation and rape of victims – call it what it is), was the cruelty with which church institutions were rum with the full knowledge of the Department of Education (via the inspectors who visited and made no attempt to either stop the cruelty or report it).

    All in all I would think the church and the state were in too cosy an arrangement and though we had the expression of anger by ‘Inda Kinny’, I still believe there is still too far too cosy a relationship.

    For instance who gives a fuck whether we have an ambassador to the ‘Holy See’. And worse still is that fuckin’ knacker of a ‘civil’ servant who just left with a very large pay off and an annual pension of gross figures (which if was to be a private pension would require 4 million euro (calculation by an accountant – not by me I don’t have a pension – hope that the state pension will be still available).

    …………….aaaarrrrggggghhhhh, this fuckin’ ‘cunt’ry……………..

  3. By the way the knacker is being mooted as the possible ambassador to the @Holy See’ and so can spend our money living in our house on the Palatine Hill.

    Reward the shagger even more ……..seeth, mutter, mutter…………….

  4. Where do we go from here? What direction will the government take now? Will they take action against the Roman Catholic Church and it`s clergy?

    I suppose that only time will tell. I have no Faith (religious or otherwise ) in the government so i won`t hold my breath.

    The church will not repent, they will continue with their fairy stories and ignore reality.

  5. This is probably (hopefully) the end of one of the worst chapters in the country. Not only was the abuse (or rape and molestation of children to call it what it is) carried out by clergy but the state was complicit in covering it up by its inaction.

    The Bishops and priests could have been arrested once they admitted to their inaction. I am sure that failuer to report a crime is itself a crime and must check the actual statute but regardless, there is and has been enough evidence to arrest the crowd of bollixes.

    The gardai to whom it was reported and the state agencies who were meant to be responsible are guilty as hell by their inaction. The failure of the bishops and church authorities to not report the abuse to the civil authorities but worse still to move the offending arsehole priests to new parishes and a whole new set of victims.

    The vatican just stood by and secretly ensured the issue was buried and that those well thinking clergy (there are a few from experience) were silenced. Crowd of smug fucking powerful arseholes.

    The latest debate about whether to appoint a new ambassador to the ‘holy see’ should be a no brainer. Why the fuck do we need a diplomatic mission to a fucking church organisation rooted in evil. Just sell the house (nice one apparently. and let’s not appoint that recently retired smug fuckhead Dermot Ma-fucking-carthy who walked with a pension and payoff worth 4 million (if calculated as a private pension).

    Let’s see if Eamonn Gilmore has the guts to tell them to go fuck themselves regardless of what diplomatic language he wants to use

    Fucking arseholes the lot of them.

    I’m gonna go and have me tea and calm down …………mutter, mutter……

  6. The only way to hurt them is in the pocket. The previous deal was a joke. Maybe Enda is setting the scene for a new and appropriate deal. Could we ever hope for so much?

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