Primetime Creche Report — We in Ireland Just Don’t Like Children

crecheWe don’t like kids in Ireland. Oh, individually we do. We love a cute baby, or a wee moppet, or pictures of kids on a strand in summer. We love our own kids. But as a society we don’t.   All we have to do is look at the way we deal with them over decades and we can’t but accept that we don’t like kids.

We don’t want them in restaurants, or in the pub. We don’t want them in some hotels or in shops in their nasty buggies – what, cant they walk?

We throw up massive barriers to adoption ensuring that kids stay institutionalised rather than having a chance at a family.

We don’t want, as a society, to allow the creation of a economic structure that allows parents the choice to either stay at home full time or to entrust them to the care of a decent system of child care.

We don’t invest in schools instead allowing literal generations of children to be educated in rotting prefabs. We don’t even provide a system of national education, instead fobbing it off to religious groups over decades.

We don’t have  a decent nationwide system of sports facilities, again relying on voluntary sports organizations some of which have only recently emerged blinking from tunnels of sporting and actual sectarianism. We don’t have playgrounds, and seem incapable of planning for children going to school despite there being 5-6 years warning from birth to school.

We don’t like it when unmarried mothers have more of them and have at least moved on from snatching these kids and imprisoning the mams, instead happy now in the enlightened eras to allow them to stay together in dire poverty .  We couldn’t be bothered to invest over decades in ameliorating the deepest poverty, instead happy to fling the resultant broken kids into the savage maw of lunatic religious or latterly into a creaking state system of prison.  Actually, we kinda hope that they would just overdose already and save us some money.

We don’t like the idea that we might have to mind them, instead wanting to use schools as surrogate homes and wonder why the hell the teachers get all that time off when they could be minding teaching our kids. We don’t want kids to have a say in how things are run, even big kids, so we ensure that we run referenda and elections when they can’t make it.

We don’t want their voices heard so we don’t bother appointing voices of kids (as opposed to some of the excellent voices for kids) to the Seanad, instead appointing people that would make Caligula’s Horse seem like Talleyrand.

We don’t want them to play, ensuring that absent playgrounds the roads and estates are determinedly child-surly to put it at its best.  We didn’t plan when we had the money and we cant be bothered now to plan for integrated housing estates that have the amenities for families instead treating them as combination battery housing/investment portfolios

We dont want kids seeing their parents, instead creating and fostering economic structures and social mores that encourage ultra commuting and the necessity for both parents to work. Meanwhile a soi disant socialist minister is busy dismantling the child support networks such as they are.

We don’t want them to grow up healthy, not bothering to put in place proper nutritional programs. We are happy to have sweet and tuck shops in schools and to allow schools to be ringed by chippers and kebab joints  – sure didn’t we have no dinner just a jam sangwidge between 9 of us and we had to make the jam ourselves etc etc etc..

We don’t want them to be healthy as that would involve a decent national children’s hospital which has served as a most useful political football over decades.  Anyhow we don’t want them to survive as we can’t be bothered to invest in the normal quota of high end medical staff in the hospitals we have.  God, or the market (there seems to be a conflation of these in some peoples minds) will provide. We don’t want them to stay sane, as that would require investment into childhood psychiatric and psychological services (anyhow the evidence is that the fine ‘minds’ of Dáil Éireann are not at all convinced that mental health is a real issue …).

We don’t want them to be cluttering up the streets when they can’t get a job, and we sure don’t want to bother with all that expense and trouble of intervening in youth unemployment blackspots. Sure didn’t we have to emigrate and there was no Ryanair then, no we had to SWIM to Holyhead…

I could go on but I need to go to work. The Primetime report last night on creche abuse was horrific.  It was enough to make me as a parent cry and to feel murderous rage that someone would do these things to smallies. But then, when I woke up this AM, I realised … this is part of what we are.  We don’t, as a nation, like kids.

 

 

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Also posted on Brian’s blog, here.

 

19 thoughts on “Primetime Creche Report — We in Ireland Just Don’t Like Children

  1. Oh, but we care so so much about zygotes and embryos and foetuses but once the poor creatures reach full term and become an Irish citizens, we hear not a word from the do-gooders who insist on ensuring they reach full term?

  2. Yes, I agree with this , they do not really like children. I was in Ireland last year and my 2 year old injured her finger, the Dublin hospital refused to threat her till I paid 100 Euro. Would not see that happen in UK with NHS. Just saw in Irish paper that a son of a deceased Irish politican can cheat at exams under medical grounds. Yet, become a TCD student president?, to be honest, that would not have happened where I studied.

  3. Whats this we shit Bock ?
    The only thing thats gone wrong with caring children in this country is that politicians decided to regulate it: and we all know what happens when the powers that be regulate anything in this country a royal balls up always ensues.
    Thousands of children were cared for in happy loving homes of extended family members, friends and neighbours but then it was decided kids should be exposed to a learning environment with various levels of stimulation which was age appropriate.
    BULL SHIT.
    some of my neighbours cared for 1 or 2 children for years, they were popped in the back seat taken to the shops taken visiting other neighbours for coffee, played with !! horror of horrors the family cat and dog.!!
    these carers took pride of place on communion days birthdays and even wedding days.
    When family crisis occured the carer/neighbour/friend stepped in.
    Do you know what the biggest problem was with this type of care, it was under the counter cash, there was no way to employ a whole raft of inspectors etc so only one thing for it create creches/factory units

  4. The most important thing in the piece above ( in my opinion) is about the creation of a society where both parents ( the mother) needs to work. I don’t live in Ireland but the situation is the same here in France. The kids wake up in the morning, go to school at 8:30, lunch is normally in the canteen so parents don’t have to pick them up at lunchtime, at 16:00 the kids go to the garderie ( day care) and they finish at 18:00. In all that time both parents ( the mother) has to / can go to work. Children are learning behavior and morals from school and the family unit is destroyed. The more parents (mothers) that have to / want to work the more need there is for day care centers and creches. The more there are the worse they get. The less need there is for playgrounds, public amenities for kids etc. etc. etc. In other words society as a whole has broken down because of the destruction of the family unit!

  5. Bang in Rob.
    But if you expressed that view in Ireland now you would be ridiculed for being a right wing conservative probably catholic zealot

  6. Unfortunately, there is little to contradict your assertion.
    We do walk a different path than the one we have for so long heard talked about.

  7. Never ever learn do we,
    There was a time when the State sent children to institutions, now the parents send children to institutions.
    You would laugh if it wasnt so tragic.
    There is no way i would send my treasuered westie to a kennel never mind a creche.
    But then I am lucky enough to live in a community where we look out for each others pets kids and older family members as a matter of course.
    have no idea how it works because none of us have Fetac 3 4 or 5 in any of these areas LOL

  8. It’s a hard society in which both parents need to earn fulltime salaries in order to pay bills and mortgage. Originally when middle class men earned salaries sufficient to meet all expenses it was possible for the wife to stay at home and pursue a fulltime career as homemaker. De Valera’s constitution of 1937 recognized the social contribution of fulltime female homemakers. He borrowed the idea from a Latin publication called Rerum Novarum by Pope Leo XIII. Leo was trying to reconcile the Catholic support for private property with the moral obligations of employers, particularly factory owners, towards paid workers. So he came up with the idea of the “just wage”. His Latin publication stated that employers should pay workers a wage that enabled them to support the work of their home-making wives and have a bit left over to enjoy life’s creature comforts. He said it was immoral to pay low wages that forced mothers to go and work outside the home to supplement their husbands’ meagre income, to the neglect of child rearing.

    In one way Dev’s moral support for the female home-maker was progressive in its time. Problem was that the home-maker had to be the mother rather than the father. The second problem was the 1937 constitution did not legally oblige employers to pay what Leo would have termed a Just Wage, so Dev’s moral sentiments were merely sentiments.

  9. ‘ We just don’t like children”
    I don’t see that in the Ireland I live in.
    What I do see though is some couples are forced to have 2 jobs in order to pay the bills. More common now since the crash.
    Other couples don’t need the money and could easily survive on one salary, but want to work full time because they have careers.
    Other couples want the 2 cars the 5 bedroom house and choose to have full time jobs
    These are the couples who in general send their children to Crèches.
    My wife and myself? our choice was simple – Children first. We made the choice to always have one parent with the children at all times.
    Except on the week-end when Granny took over, while herself and myself painted the town red.
    Sometimes the neighbour would baby-sit if Granny was on a bender :)
    People should think before they have children. Its a full time job and requires full time parenting.
    Its the most important job you will ever have. A crèche should be a last resort. Not a lifestyle choice.
    I think most people/parents would share my view.

  10. Long John Silver
    We have often been at odds in the past on various topics
    But on this one I think you have hit it just right.
    We must remember that some parents dont even want to spend time with their own children at weekends,
    If only the creches would open sat and sun

  11. Why is everything so wrong? Do people want it to be this way? Why the hell did I ever think Ireland wasn’t like it is now?

  12. Do you think the Minister for Hardship should put a levy on Communion and Confirmation money so that the little feckers can pay for their own playgrounds? The sooner they are exposed to the delights of austerity the better, and don’t let them anywhere near the Netherlands when they go on vacation–the place has been ruined with all manner of playgrounds, cycleways, theme parks and they even allow children into restaurants in the evening—-serve the Dutch right–they live in small houses, they don’t seem to understand the importance of Bling and have seriously unhealthy societal priorities.

  13. After reading this I watched the prime time report. Had to turn it off after 20 minutes as it just made me so angry. It is no longer possible for most families to get by on one wage, so this is now the consequence. I sent my son to a creche quite close to where I used to live. The carers immediately struck me as being unqualified in professional childcare, more like bored housewives. Facilities were cramped and quite poor. We never went back. How that kip could ever pass an inspection shows how low children are on the list of the HSE’s priorities. Thanks for posting this Bock, glad I emigrated.

  14. Children are just a cash cow to alot of people. Two examples; firstly the children in the prime time show on the standards of creche – the attendance records in some cases were clearly falsified so the creche could continue getting the funding from the government. What thought was given to why the child was not attending? NONE. All that mattered was the money. Secondly – getting yourself up the pole has always been a way to get a few extra quid courtesy of the tax payer if you are a waster. The only people, or should I say the majority of people now with large families are either wasters on the dole or members of the travelling community. Those of us with jobs, hose and mortgages just can’t afford it…

  15. Well spotted Mark. No flies on you.

    Did you also notice that his name is up there at the top? Brian contributes an occasional post to this site.

  16. Agree with LJS above. My wife and I also made the same decision when our kids were that young. It was usually me at home. When they were in school they went to a minders afterwards.

    Question. What is a professional child minder? What do they learn / study? Who decided on the curiculum?

    I see courses for child minding that have a FETAC accreditation. As one who sometimes works in training I wouldn’t any credence to FETAC. It’s alll about quality management systems, not quality of training.

    I’m all for education and learning, but the country is obsessed with courses and standards. From neo-nazi food hygiene inspectors, to marriage guidence, self appointed standard bearers.

  17. Part of my community service order for “that incident” as my family refer to it is that I help the needy. It was write the odd post (take that as you will) for BtR or wipe up body fluids in an institution. No contest really. Pity I got barred from the home for the drooly but hey…

  18. LOL
    It could have been worse Brian, ya could have been sent to a creche to do some sleep coaching for the under 3s, as in roar at em

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