Leading Armies — Let’s Get Serious

If you haven’t heard of Leading Armies before now, brace yourself.  This young Limerick band is on the brink of greatness and next Friday, they launch their EP, Let’s Get Serious, in Dolans Warehouse, teaming up once more with the Markevin Light Orchestra.

Leading Armies

You’d be crazy not to be there on Friday night.  For €10, this is the best value you’ll get in gigs anywhere, and the chances are it won’t be long before Leading Armies are playing venues that hold thousands, not hundreds.  Catch them now, while you still can.  They have the attitude, they have the talent and they have that indefinable style that marks out a band as one destined for the big time.

And from what I’ve seen of them, they’re nice guys, which is always a plus.

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Where?  Dolans Warehouse, Limerick

When? Friday 11th October.

What time?  8:30 pm

How much?  €10

Seriously?  Yes.

30 thoughts on “Leading Armies — Let’s Get Serious

  1. A seriously talented bunch but great guys behind it with an excellent attitude and veracious appetite for work. They don’t possess the sense of fame entitlement so many others suffer from thankfully. These guys are the real deal and if it was 10 years ago they’d already be signed to a big deal. Their time will come!

  2. Nice live video though. Good musicians. Personally, if they sounded less “American” I’d prefer it, but that’s just me. Tis all subjective at the end of the day.

    But as you say, good work ethic, and hard grafters, you can’t ask for more than that.

    The last thing they want to end like is the Republic of Loose though!!! Dublin lads trying to sound like they’re from the US of A….

  3. Extra musicians are a nice touch. I would put these guys musically streets ahead of another muscly Limerick band. One has better contacts than the other though.

  4. @Barry what s with all the ‘contacts’ talk I remember there was someone rattling on about the rubberbandits success being down to who they know on the Bandits thread here a while back, so I went back for a look and lo and behold it was you as well. What do you mean by better contacts ? I d love an elaboration of what you are getting at, I don t mean names or anything just around the concept itself and why you clearly deem it so crucial.

  5. A lot of it is hard work. A lot more of it is who you know. That’s always been the case, and always will be.

    Build up good contacts and things can happen quicker for you than if you were a bunch of lads down with no contacts but an album.

    How do you get on national daytime radio? It’s not just by sending a demo to Tony Fenton. How do you get good support slots with international touring bands? It’s not by ringing up Dolans anyhow. Someone has to get you on that bill. A good contact for example.

    Writing and recording the songs is the easy part. The rest of it is the hard part.

    The machine behind the bandits have/had good contacts. That’s fact. Do you think they sent in a demo to get on the Edinburgh festival? Of course having talent helps too.

    But if you’re a band of lazy halfwits, those contacts won’t mean anything so the work still has to be put in.

    More importantly, if you don’t have the songs, it won’t matter in the long run who you know. How many bands to we read about as the “next big thing”? Then the album comes out and it’s average.

    Look at bands on MCD, and where they pop up, be it on festivals, in magazines, etc. Scratch the surface and you’ll see the connections with all bands, be it with their management or their booking agency, or a member of the band, or their sound engineer, or their producer.

    You see it up in Dublin. Dublin bands getting good exposure shocker!! Half the bands in Dublin getting exposure are mediocre to say the least.

    Don’t think for a second it works any other way.

    Sorry for having an opinion. Maybe it’s better if everyone is expected to gather around in a circle jerk and tell each other how great they are?

  6. I should have proof read my post, sorry. Maybe my outlook is very cynical, but that’s they way I see it.

  7. Look at Ham Sandwich on the Arthur’s Day bill in Limerick? Who is their booking agent? Who is involved in Arthur’s Day. Join the dots.
    On the other hand, there are chancers, mainly in Dublin, who act as “agents” and get bands gigs and radio PR in places the bands could get themselves by just picking up the phone.

    Ham Sandwich supported Mumford and Sons. Who is Mumford’s booking agent again?

    That’s irrespective of what I think of their music. I’m just making the point that it’s not all “let’s work hard and we’ll be set for global domination.”

  8. Barry if you are talented enough for someone to believe that they can earn some money from working with you then you will be contacted. The power and influence of your contacts tends to be proportional to your potential of making money. Of course contacts are a factor at the very early stages but not in the way it would be if you were competing for a job in business or commerce where knowing the HR manager would have a serious influence.

    In the case of the bandits it was the small matter of about 20million you tube hits and a 3 week residency in Soho that prompted the kind folks in Edinburgh to think actually we might book these come August, not because their manager drank pints with some promoter.

    As for ‘Maybe it’s better if everyone is expected to gather around in a circle jerk and tell each other how great they are?”

    What s that line referring to …? Remember as a reader of this post and it’s responses I’m only privy to your thoughts based on what you reveal in writing not what s going on in your head.

  9. Because I’m good friends with both of the lads and they told me.

    More to the point what do you think of the other issues I raised in my reply?

  10. Sorry, I should have meant in general “how do you know who the manager drinks pints with”, a general “he”, not the rubberbandits manager. But do you really think a music manager doesn’t go drinking pints with people he thinks could further careers?

    Look at the London Mumford etc. scene. Well connected relatives (in the media) giving bands national exposure because they happen to be shagging a journalist with the NME or Q magazine or whoever. I don’t have a problem with that, because I’d use them if I were in the same position. Frank Turner is the son of the chairman of BHS. But of course Frank probably never used his relatives contacts!

    I’ll hate the game, not the players!

    There are so many brilliant bands out there. So why not get the best contacts you can to get ahead? There are ways and means of getting on the Late Late Show if you happen to know a specific person in RTE. Of course, you need the product first. If you’re a bag of shite, you’re a bag of shite and you won’t get on.

    How honest do you think music managers are? Start with Limerick.

    “…..if you are talented enough for someone to believe that they can earn some money from working with you then you will be contacted. The power and influence of your contacts tends to be proportional to your potential of making money.”

    That’s what I said earlier. Sooner or later you need the machine to step in and get you to the next level (good contacts!)

    You don’t need 20 million youtube hits either before you get that machine. Cats doing cartwheels also get 20 million youtube hits. A new band who happens to be great won’t necessarily have 20 million youtube hits, but if they’re good enough, someone will pick up on them.

    I never said any band was rubbish, only that I mentioned earlier I thought Leading Armies were musically far more talented than Hermitage Green. Do you honestly believe if HG were 5 lads playing soccer with Star Rovers they would be as far as they are along the line right now?

    I’m entitled to that opinion, and you can call it flawed all you like, or bitter, or a begrudger, it’s just an opinion. I wish them all the best, and they are making $$$ so more power to them all. But musically, they are not on my radar, for now. The problem in Limerick, because it’s small, is people can’t really express their opinion without being seen as a bitter auld bollox. I’ll reserve my judgement for all these “great” bands once they have a few albums out and show consistency.

    But it’s all subjective,so what I think is good, other’s will think is shite and vice versa.

    Plus, it doesn’t really matter. There’s nothing worse than talking about music.

  11. I think you’re making a lot of perfectly valid and reasonable points here.

    It would be nonsense to suggest that music is the only business where people don’t get an advantage from personal connections.

  12. @Bock agreed, absolute Nonsense.

    @Barry

    ‘But do you really think a music manager doesn’t go drinking pints with people he thinks could further careers?’

    Of course he does what made you think Id assume differently.

    ‘Look at the London Mumford etc. scene. Well connected relatives (in the media) giving bands national exposure because they happen to be shagging a journalist with the NME or Q magazine or whoever. I don’t have a problem with that, because I’d use them if I were in the same position.’

    Do you really believe that if someone wasn’t shagging a journalist in NME or Q that Mumford and sons wouldn t have been picked up. And you do have a problem with the concept…you certainly can t get beyond it when it comes to Hermitage green. What do you want them to do, stop being attractive to women, and renounce their athletic achievements in order to be accepted as credible. They are who they are its nothing to do with contacts, they are a package and an oddity in the music world they were always going to attract attention for that alone.

    ‘That’s what I said earlier. Sooner or later you need the machine to step in and get you to the next level (good contacts!) ‘

    Exactly so what is your overall point again.?

    ‘You don’t need 20 million youtube hits either before you get that machine. Cats doing cartwheels also get 20 million youtube hits.’

    Unless they re Nashville cats that statement is not relevant.

    ‘only that I mentioned earlier I thought Leading Armies were musically far more talented than Hermitage Green’

    What s your definition of musical talent Barry and more importantly what criteria do you use to measure it. For example Some of the greatest songwriters of all time can barely play an instrument and on the other hand some of the most accomplished musicians who have ever played their instrument never got the hang of writing. Again Id be interested in knowing what criteria you used to measure whether LA or HG are better or worse. I suspect you ve been spending too much time watching X factor or maybe you re a wanna be Brezzie,

    ‘There’s nothing worse than talking about music.’

    I enjoy it.

  13. That’s your opinion though. and as it’s your site you can pedal who you want.
    I don’t have to like any band just because they are from Limerick, or especially because they are handsome. I’m more concerned with musical output.
    Call me a begrudging auld bitter bollox…..

  14. I say fair fucks to both of them.They’re not caught up in the Limerick cleak and more power to them for not being. Too much back stabbing going on in that scene anyway. As for HG, what is wrong with POC or Howlett tweeting a vid from the lads? I know a lot of the work I do and get is as much about who you know as what you know. Two successful talented bands out of Limerick. Pity there isn’t more but from my experience it’s more of a willy waving excercise i the local than getting out there and actually doing it.

  15. That’s what I said earlier which someone got uppity about. It’s as much about who you know as to what you know and I pointed out that surely HG used their background to make hay as much as their axe plucking. (Lions tour anyone??)

    And they would be dead right to as would I in their shoes. Know your audience etc and so on…

    I don’t see any evidence of backstabbing in Limk in the original music scene anyhow. Most bands help each other out when it comes to gigs and supports,HG and Leading Armies included, and all are nice fellas.

    As for the willy waving I’ll wait to hear what the albums are like.

  16. I hope your not projecting your uppityness on to me there Barry. If so in my defense I simply challenged your opinion as to your original statement about the importance of contacts and Ill challenge you again regarding the following quote you used in responding to Pauliere above

    ‘It’s as much about who you know as to what you know’

    I contend that this statement is a fallacy in particular the bold claim that its ‘As much about’ by reiterating what I said above, if you are good enough or unique enough to be commercially viable then you will attract people who can make things happen. But it doesn t happen the other way around [unless its in the realm of boy bands and X factor type stuff where we all know the goal posts are moved] Just like in the days when A+R men existed to mine talent on behalf of the majors, nowadays managers, promotors and agents with important contacts do not do things for bands or musicians who don’t show potential. So Frank Turner s Da being who he is don t mean shit if Frank Turner cant write/perform/play in a manner that people might enjoy to an extent that they will pay money to see him play. If you have evidence to the contrary that isn t based on sweeping statements such as ‘It’s as much about who you know as to what you know’ then Id love to hear it.

    If you get the chance also can you address the bit in my last post where I asked the following

    ‘What s your definition of musical talent Barry and more importantly what criteria do you use to measure it. For example Some of the greatest songwriters of all time can barely play an instrument and on the other hand some of the most accomplished musicians who have ever played their instrument never got the hang of writing. Again Id be interested in knowing what criteria you used to measure whether LA or HG are better or worse.

    Finally what does all this willy waving stuff refer to and which albums are we waiting for. It sounds like some organised conspiracy that involves good guys and bad guys and reads like you ve regressed to a cowboys and Indians, cops and robbers mentality. Id prefer to think its something more evidenced based and concrete than that and would welcome your take on what exactly your talking about.

  17. I’ll judge any of the above bands on their albums when they are eventually released. That’s what it all comes down to:the songs.

    What I base talent on doesn’t matter as it’s all subjective. What I think is a bag of shit,others will like.

  18. I agree, for the most part it does come down to the songs Barry and indeed having or not having an accomplished songwriter is the primary reason why certain bands get noticed who might not be as technically proficient as others and vice versa its certainly not by having contacts. Had you said that initially and resisted having a derogatory pop at Hermitage Green and Republic of loose who are just musicians like yourself trying to do as much as they can to make music a living rather than a hobby [apologies for taking the liberty to say that you re a musician without asking but its kind of obvious if you dont mind me saying] it would have saved a lot of debate. Mind you I enjoyed the banter.

  19. Well, yeah, I suppose it’s unfair of me to have a pop at musicians and bands, but bands and musicians should also be prepared to put with people having a go. What will they do if their albums get panned!

    I don’t get Republic of Loose though. Are they Irish? Are they American? I dunno, I’m not into bands trying to sound like they’re not where they are from. But again, that’s just my opinion, and it counts for nought. HG, similarly wouldn’t be my cup of tea at all musically but the best of luck to them.

    As a punter I would consider Leading Armies musically better than HG (an opinion). But it’s not a competition on who is “best”, and being technically proficient doesn’t really matter either.

    But, what I was getting at is you could be a good band or songwriter, but you need to initially get your music into the right hands. It’s crucial to press the flesh. Then it’s exploiting that to your advantage.

    I certainly wouldn’t agree with saying any current Irish band is “….on the brink of greatness” but I suppose it’s also just my opinion. I dunno, I keep reading about bands who are “sublime” and “great” and you go and see them, and they’re not really *that* good.

  20. When I say “on the brink of greatness”, of course it also implies that they have the requirements in place, not that they’ve achieved greatness yet.

    However, they strike me as very grounded, intelligent guys, and they probably worked that bit out long before I did.

  21. Sorry let me re-phrase. Networking is as important as what you know. i know plenty of talented musicians who never leave their bedrooms.

  22. Let me rephrase that. Networking is as important as what you know. I know plenty of talented musos who never leave their bedroom.

  23. Absolutely. I know a guy out the county who has a touch on the guitar as good as anyone around town, but he’s not too bothered about it all.

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