Jun 132016
 

At least fifty people have lost their lives at the hands of a homophobic murderer in Orlando, Florida in the Pulse gay nightclub. The number of dead is likely to increase since many of those taken to hospital are described as critical, and many more will spend the rest of their lives with crippling injuries.

One might think that such a tragedy would evoke huge human empathy but apparently not.

The Lieutenant Governor of Texas, Dan Patrick,  tweeted as follows:

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Do not be deceived:

God cannot be mocked.

A man reaps what he sows.

Galatians 6:7

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Mr Patrick later deleted his tweet, explaining that it was all an unfortunate misunderstanding, but the Westboro Baptist Church was under no such illusions.

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Still, with the WBC, at least you know what you’re getting, though not so much with Donald Trump, who immediately began tweeting, firstly with a cursory nod to the relatives of the victims and then with a full-blown chest-thumping congratulation of himself for warning about keeping Muslims out of the United States.

Now, it’s true that the killer, Omar Mateen, was a Muslim, but in much the same way Donald Trump is a Christian.

It’s also a fact that the killer was a US citizen, born and bred in the USA. But what’s even more undeniable is that, even though Omar Mateen was a private citizen and not a gang member or part of any political grouping, he was still able to purchase perfectly legally the sort of firepower that allowed him to massacre at least fifty people and maim as many more.

It’s also a fact that the murders took place in a state where anti-gay attitudes are deeply entrenched and where the State legislature has reluctantly rolled back its anti-gay laws only as a result of vigorous arm-twisting by the US Supreme Court. It’s a fact, furthermore, that these murders happened on the edge of the Bible Belt where fundamentalist Christians regard homosexuals as an abomination and where many people would hardly shed a tear at the killing of a gay man or woman. In addition, it’s a fact that these murders happened in a state where the gun laws are extremely lax.

Yet, despite all these things, cynics like Trump are getting away with the most outrageous conclusions.

According to Trump and his fellow travellers, the massacre didn’t happen because Orlando is in a state where gays are still a marginal community.

The massacre didn’t happen because rednecks would as soon string up a gay person as a black.

The massacre wasn’t facilitated by the fact that every random lunatic can buy an assault rifle.

The massacre didn’t happen due to extreme religious prejudice, or at least, not the sort of extreme religious prejudice we approve of.

No. The massacre occurred because of the other extreme religious prejudice. The sort we don’t approve of.

It makes no difference that both sorts of extreme religious prejudice come from the same book, the same band of wandering, murderous ignorant sheep herders and yet, as it turns out, the killer wasn’t even very religious, according to his ex-wife. In fact, he was just your average non-religious controlling wife-beating scumbag.

Or to put it another way, he was just another prejudiced anti-gay chest-thumping redneck.

Of course, that wouldn’t suit the agenda of Trump and his associates, so instead Omar Mateen has to be painted as a follower of ISIS who, of course, were more than happy to claim his actions as their own.

Normally in America (and how sad it is that anyone would be able to use the word normally but such is the state of things in that country) when a madman kills a large number of people, the authorities investigate and conclude in the end that the mass murder was committed by an unhinged person or in exceptional circumstances like Oklahoma, a domestic terrorist.

I have yet to hear of an American mass murder where a killer was described as a Catholic extremist or a Protestant extremist or a Shinto extremist and yet, somehow, when the killer has the remotest connection to a Muslim country, he can’t simply be a homicidal maniac like any normal Christian. The explanation has to lie in his religion, or in the religion of his parents or in the religion of someone he was descended from a thousand years ago, because that’s how Americans have been led to view the world: through a lens that allows only for good guys and bad guys, with the current bad guys being Muslims. One quarter of the world’s population, including the late Muhammad Ali.

Japanese-American people will understand this sort of thinking very well indeed since they were all imprisoned for the duration of World War 2 purely on the basis of their non-European features, in horrible concentration camps like Manzanar. Meanwhile, people with European faces suffered no such imprisonment, even though they bore the names of the arch-enemies. No German-Americans were imprisoned. No Italian-Americans were put in concentration camps. No Hungarian-Americans. No Croatian-Americans.

Indeed, a man with an Americanized German name, Eisenhower, was made Supreme Allied Commander and later became President. It’s hard to imagine, even today, a President Hashimoto or Katsumata.

It’s also hard to avoid the conclusion that despite the great talk about separation of church and state, America is, and has always been in its essence a European Christian project, conceived in an act of genocide and maintained in a huge act of continuing global warfare without end.

You’d have to conclude that in situations like this, Trump and ISIS are best buddies. A coincidence of interests, so to speak, between two equally unscrupulous political enterprises.

A very dangerous confederation of criminals and possibly one that could lead to another world war.

 

  90 Responses to “Orlando murders reveal darkness at the heart of the American project”

Comments (90)
  1.  

    11 muslim countries uphold the death penalty for the crime of being gay.Maybe the killer was just being a good muslim.

  2.  

    It appears now that the killer might well have been gay himself.

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    What does it matter who or what that shooter was. It happened in America. That’s all the fuel Bock needs to discharge both barrels of his(or her) unique version of 2nd class demagoguery. No ethnicity is safe in North America, when Bock gets his dander up.

  4.  

    Now you’ve got that off your chest, feel free to disagree with specific points in the post.

    If you don’t feel able to do that, perhaps Irish Central might be more to your taste.

  5.  

    “A very dangerous confederation of criminals and possibly one that could lead to another world war.”

    I agree with that..I was only having that discussion not too long ago with a friend in the U.S. too.

    If Trump gets into the White House.. I think we’re all doomed.
    George W set the stage for our doom and Trump will finish us off altogether…. dumb and dumber.

  6.  

    Greg, Bock criticises Ireland and Irish politics just as much.. try not to take it so personally.
    Are you a supporter of Trump yourself?

    Did you watch the Robert Reich documentary on inequality in the U.S. that I linked to previously by the way?

  7.  

    Greg, Bock criticises Ireland and Irish politics just as much. Try not to take it so personally.
    Are you a Trump supporter yourself by the way?

    Just wondering, did you get a chance to watch the Robert Reich documentary on inequality in the U.S. that I linked to previously?

  8.  

    I do not take it personal. Anyone who distinguishes human beings by nationality first, as Bock has done with me, possesses a 2nd class mentality which limits his or her ability of serious discussion.,

    While I agree that there are areas of inequality as Robert Reich has highlighted, I fundamentally disagree with his remedy. Though the issues are not systemic in America and bigotry does exist, you can not regulate or legislate against stupidity or someones opinion.

    The world is full of inequalities, some of them are in Ireland.

    If you look at America, Blacks and Hispanics are at the top of the Judicial, Legislative and Executive branches of government. Our biggest Sporting Icons are Black and Hispanic, (One is from the Northside of Dublin) Our biggest and most successful Music Icons are Black and Hispanic. People of colour in America rule the top positions in Corporate America. The inequality Robert Reich refer to doesn’t exist for those who work hard and apply themselves, no matter colour, wealth or education. Leave it to an American Democrat to distinguish between skin colour and then promote policies that insures the down trodden remain where they are.

  9.  

    “The world is full of inequalities,” Yes, this is true.. None more so than in the U.S.
    The top wealthiest 400 Americans have more wealth than the bottom 150000000 (that’s 150 million ) of the rest of the population.

    Shocking inequality.

    “The inequality Robert Reich refer to doesn’t exist for those who work hard and apply themselves, no matter colour, wealth or education. ”

    That’s simply not true. The middle class has been shrinking since 1970.. from 61% of the population to 50%. Those people are working as hard as ever, but getting nowhere.

    Watch it again Greg and forget your Democratic prejudges.

    Here –

  10.  

    “The world is full of inequalities,” Yes, this is true.. None more so than in the U.S.
    The top wealthiest 400 Americans have more wealth than the bottom 150000000 (that’s 150 million ) of the rest of the population.

    Shocking inequality.

    “The inequality Robert Reich refer to doesn’t exist for those who work hard and apply themselves, no matter colour, wealth or education. ”

    That’s simply not true. The middle class has been shrinking since 1970.. from 61% of the population to 50%. Those people are working as hard as ever, but getting nothing.

    Watch it again Greg and forget your Democratic prejudges..

    Here –

  11.  

    Bock, the comments don’t work..

  12.  

    ok, I’ll try again..

    “The world is full of inequalities,” Yes, this is true.. None more so than in the U.S.
    The top wealthiest 400 Americans have more wealth than the bottom 150000000 (that’s 150 million ) of the rest of the population.

    Shocking inequality.

    “The inequality Robert Reich refer to doesn’t exist for those who work hard and apply themselves, no matter colour, wealth or education. ”

    That’s simply not true. The middle class has been shrinking since 1970.. from 61% of the population to 50%. Those people are working as hard as ever, but getting nothing.

    Watch it again Greg and forget your Democratic prejudges.

    Here –

  13.  

    And by the way, have a read of this –
    http://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources/publications/minorities.aspx

    SES Impacts the Lives of Many Ethnic and Racial Minorities

    Discrimination and marginalization are sometimes barriers for ethnic and racial minorities seeking to escape poverty (Corcoran & Nichols-Casebolt, 2004).

    African American children are three times more likely to live in poverty than Caucasian children. American Indian/Alaska Native, Hispanic, Pacific Islander, and Native Hawaiian families are more likely than Caucasian and Asian families to live in poverty (Costello, Keeler, & Angold, 2001; National Center for Education Statistics, 2007).

    Although the income of Asian American families is often markedly above other minorities, these families also often have four to five family members working (Le, 2008).

    Minorities are more likely to receive high-cost mortgages: African Americans (53 percent) and Latinos (43 percent), in comparison to Caucasians (18 percent) (Logan,2008).

    Unemployment rates for African Americans are typically double those of Caucasian Americans. African American men working full time earn 72 percent of the average earnings of comparable Caucasian men and 85 percent of the earnings of Caucasian women (Rodgers, 2008).

    That’s great, you have some athletes and musicians who’ve done well.. it doesn’t change the reality for the vast majority of minorities in the U.S.

  14.  

    “The world is full of inequalities, ”

    None more so than the U.S. where the top 400 wealthiest individuals have more wealth than the combined wealth of the bottom 150000000 Americans.. that’s 150 million.

    Shocking inequality.

  15.  

    “The inequality Robert Reich refer to doesn’t exist for those who work hard and apply themselves, no matter colour, wealth or education.”

    That’s simply not true. The middle class in the U.S. has shrunk from 61% in the 70s to 50% today.. Those people are working as hard as ever, but falling out of the middle class, getting poorer.

    The inequality there is pretty disgusting really. You have mega billionaires who pay proportionally little of their earnings on tax.

    The American dream of working hard and doing well seems to be just that.. a dream.

  16.  

    Good post by Artemis. There is a good article in the review section of this week’s Sunday Times by AA Gill about the time he visited Trump’s ‘University’ on the American dream. Can’t reproduce it as you have to subscribe unfortunately. Basically about poor middle aged no-hopers being gulled into parting with large sums of cash to learn how to short sell.

  17.  

    My apologies for the magnum opus below, but Artemis gave me a lot to digest.

    My democrat prejudice was acquired after years spent being one. I accept the philosophical differences that you would have with my politics, and I would not expect you to appreciate liberty, freedom and limited government the way that I do. While I agree that The United States has been hijacked by corporate elites who have bought our useless, self serving politicians with the help of a politicized Supreme Court, who in turn have created agencies and pacts that have rewarded their corporate benefactors, we were all living the dream until it came time to pay up. Only then did Americans wise up to what our politicians sold our future for. As grotesque as American greed is, One remedy is to slash spending, close loop holes and lower taxes in order to stimulate investment. I believe over time, a long time with the right people in charge, we can dig ourselves out of the hole that was dug for us. A different remedy is to punish the corporations,tax them and everyone else severely to create this massive social safety net that protects everyone from the pitfalls of taking a risk. No more risk, the nanny state will take care of everything. No more guns (Goodbye 2nd amendment), No Smoking, No Sugary Drinks, No individualism, No offensive language or speech (Goodby 1st Amendment). No more rugged individualism, everything for the greater good of the community (is this starting to sound familiar). And all because we can’t regulate a couple of greedy Pr**ks, who happen to be named Bush and Clinton. Both our political parties are corrupt and stand for the very same thing, which is their enrichment. Our constitution has been violated hundreds of times in order to pass laws that favour corporations and trade pacts that send American Jobs overseas. My country is in dire straits, but it can be fixed if the right persons gets elected. Its a given that 80% of the electorate are locked into voting for their preferred party, and as usual the remaining 20% decide the election. Usually they just stay home out of disgust, but not this time. Donald Trump represents a revolt against the status quo. His supporters, of which I am one, know he is flawed but only because he lacks polish, but that is a good thing. We want honesty, not polished bulls**t. A clear message is being sent that we’ve had enough of political correctness, as its been used as a tool to fleece us. While your mate Robert Reich makes a compelling argument, it is not without a political agenda. States should be making decisions regarding health care, arms control along with a multitude of other issues that are particular to them, not the Federal Government. We are supposed to be a federation of independent states, per our constitution, and real Republicans want to preserve that while Democrats want to obliterate it.

  18.  

    On this site you have the liberty and freedom to say Bullshit if you wish. There’s no need for the slavery of puritanical American asterisks. You can even say Fuck and nobody will mind.

  19.  

    I don’t know where to begin Greg..
    Except to say, Trump is not your man. You get him in the White House and they’d probably have him killed at some stage, he’s so dangerous.

    Here, have a read.

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/28/donald-trump-rhetoric-adolf-hitler-anti-trump-campaign

    “Donald Trump represents a revolt against the status quo.”
    “A different remedy is to punish the corporations,tax them and everyone else severely to create this massive social safety net that protects everyone from the pitfalls of taking a risk. No more risk, the nanny state will take care of everything. ”

    What safety net is that? The one afforded to Wall Street and the gambling bankers is it? The safety net that allows the likes of Trump to have 5 bankruptcies and the U.S. taxpayer picks up the tab for each one?

    Socialism is a dirty word over there.. But what ye have is socialism for the rich.
    You can’t get decent news there either, so people have no idea what’s going on.

    The dumber the news, the better.. The news shows there are like entertainment shows.

    Trump may like to present himself as an outsider, or as someone who rebels against the establishment.. he’s far from it.

    Laissez fair economics, with little interference from government is not freedom by the by.. as you must realise with the 2007 crash. Making people a slave to the market is not freedom.

    I posted a bit on that previously..It’s probably worth mentioning again.. Rules and government are required to spread the wealth. Wealth is created by all in society. Corporations have their wealth due to the consumer. It’s not the other way around.

  20.  

    I really don’t want to do a testing.. but I was trying to put through one more comment.

  21.  

    Ok, here –

    Here, from another thread there recently where you mentioned – “having government making decisions on behalf of and instead of enabling independent thought.”


    “Myth numero deux: The critical choice is between the free market or government.

    Baloney!

    The free market doesn’t exist in nature. It’s created by government, by legislators, administrative agencies and courts and it’s enforced by government.

    All the ongoing decisions about how the market is organised. What gets patented, and patent protection for how long.. The human genome. Who can declare bankruptcy; corporations, homeowners, student debtors.

    What contracts are fraudulent…Insider trader…Or coercive..predatory loans, mandatory arbitration. And how much market power is excessive? Comcast and Time Warner for example.

    All of these decisions depend on government”

    False choices Greg, as Bob puts it. Think about it. Have a nice weekend.
    By the way, I really like the U.S. and Americans in general.. :)

    Oh regarding the 2nd amendment, Bock wrote a few posts on that.. they’re worth looking up.

  22.  

    That was 3 economic myths from Robert Reich on youtube.. the link won’t go through.

  23.  

    Bock, I appreciate the granted liberty to swear on this blog. I used asterisks due to the fact that I was admonished previously for swearing on this blog.

    ,Artemis, I don’t read the Guardian because it is a slanted publication. In fact I don’t read any newspaper for the same reason.

    Maybe you are right about Donald Trump, but we all know what the alternative is, which clearly hasn’t been working. Clinton has been bought by people who are not from America and who want to see it neutered. The opponents against Trump, result to lies and ad hom attacks to discredit him, while completely ignoring shady Clinton deals and illegal behavior in government. The day Donald Trump announced his candidacy, he spoke about murderous illegal aliens. Well, my brother was murdered in cold blood by a murdering illegal alien. Until recently, I lived in Los Angeles, which is where I spent my youth, It is over run with millions of illegal aliens, who are using social services they aren’t paying for, including schools where the Federal Government’s insistence of passing grades in order for schools to receive federal funding, is lowering the standard for all. And because Trump says out loud what everyone else is brow beaten into silence over, he’s called a bigot. Donald Trumps message is not that people of colour are the problem, a message that is akin to what Hitler suggested about the Jews, Trumps message is that Government is our problem, and it is. It makes new laws while ignoring laws that are already on the books, It increases taxes while sinking the country deeper into debt. It is stupid, bloated and incompetent.

    I am not against state government regulations per se, But I am against the Federal Government over-reaching its authority to regulate. It has no constitutional authority to do so outside of negotiating treaties/pacts, providing a common defense and defending our constitution.

    I addressed the nanny state for Wall Street issue on a previous post, and expressed my disgust for it. Which Clinton is in favour of.

    I’ve had to file for bankruptcy once, You make seem that life resumes to normal after the discharge. It does not, I can assure you. Though I can imagine a BK for Trump is far easier than for me. In America, the discharge takes 90 days, which on the face of it seems unfair to creditors, but the 12 years it takes to discharge in Ireland forces real talent to immigrate because they made bad decisions and or were unlucky and forced to sit on the sidelines for such a long period, It’s too punitive and people who file BK do not win. Business is risk, everyone takes a chance, otherwise, take up a government job, deal with the politics, and retire after 35 years of shuffling paper. many people who file BK go on to become successful and an asset to society by creating jobs, among other ways.

    Yes, We have socialism for the rich, and we are fed up with it. They should suffer like everyone else, but before that happens, we need to get rid of our politicians. Or at least get the money out of politics.

    Agreed about the news sources over here, They are government mouth pieces. See above for a remedy.

    Spreading wealth and regulating it are 2 different things.

    The free market does exist in nature. If you are cold, and I have fire, or you are thirsty and I have water, nature dictates that you will make an offer to me with something I value in exchange so that you may be warm or have quenched thirst. Government interferes by making me give you water or fire for something less than I may want. If i want to give it to you for free, it should be my choice, which is charity, not governments. It’s my water, its my fire, go get your own, if you cant, make it worth my while. If you take it from me because you think my terms are unfair, that is stealing and you may suffer the consequences of that action. Its harsh, but if you appeal to my sense of humanity, you will probably get what you need. Such as directions to the watering hole or instructions on how to build a fire. Government may need to regulate rules so that someone doesn’t die, but it should not mandate the outcome. Give a hungry man a fish, you will feed him for a day. Teach him to fish, and you’ll feed him for a lifetime.

    Student loans and government agencies that regulate commerce, are democrat institutions that keep government in the loop, I do not support that because there is no end to it.

  24.  

    Were you admonished for swearing or for personally attacking somebody? This site has never been squeamish about swearing.

  25.  

    Sorry about your brother Greg. That’s awful..
    Donald Trump plays on people’s fear about illegal immigrants .. most of them are I’m sure law abiding, who pay taxes, and are not murdering criminals. He does the same with Muslims.

    Regarding the market..there isn’t a market in nature..there’s an abundance of resources in nature.
    Take food there for instance.. I was reading this earlier from Bob Reich..(him again.. :)

    ‘ Food prices are rising faster than inflation. One reason: The government has allowed far too much concentration in Big Ag. The latest proposed mergers would make it worse: The combined companies of Monsanto-Bayer and Dow-DuPont would control 76% of the market in corn seed, 66.4% of the market in soybeans, and 85% of the market in cotton seeds – giving them substantial power to raise prices further.

    Mergers, acquisitions, and monopolistic practices are also pushing up prices in cable and Internet services, airlines, and health insurance. The result: millions of Americans are paying more than they would if these industries were more competitive — a direct redistribution out of the paychecks of average people top executives and major shareholders. But it’s hidden inside the prices people pay.

    Antitrust agencies (the FTC and the Justice Department’s antitrust division) have been starved of the resources they need to stop this consolidation. Why aren’t Republicans who claim they’re on the side of the “free market” demanding more competition? Why aren’t Democrats who claim they’re on the side of average working people demanding more antitrust enforcement? ‘

    That is not how it works in nature Greg.
    That’s what you get when you have lassez faire economics, which allows for consolidation of ownership and power. It’s the little guy who suffers.. people pay more when they have limited choices. Lack of government interference does not benefit the public. You’ve been sold a pup.. It’s a false choice. It’s not one or the other..(government or the market) it’s a distraction. There are rules, it’s just who they benefit is the question.

    It’s the public who buy the food who create the wealth for these companies… people create the wealth corporations accumulate. It needs to be distributed back into society, in the form of taxes.. to pay for infrastructure, health, education etc. Instead, what you have is the current situation there, where the wealthy are in the back pockets of politicians, so the rules of the game benefit them, and you have ordinary citizens who are struggling, and pay proportionally more of their income on taxes, than the super wealthy.
    Donald Trump has benefited enormously. He’s not an outsider.

    I wouldn’t be a huge Clinton fan myself either. I think it’s probably the choice of whose the least worst for people there:) Trump is an abomination of a human being though, and it seems a lot of Republic senators have enough sense to denounce him.

  26.  

    GOK — before you respond to that comment, please reply to the question I asked you twice already. Why is gun homicide in the United States so far in excess of gun homicides in Europe?

    This is not an optional response, by the way. The site is moderated and my job is to keep the conversation on track.

    I’ll also ask other commenters to hold off until GOK replies to this question.

  27.  

    Ok Bock, I’ll give you my best answer. Ready? Education, pure and simple.

    This country is packed with, for want of a better term, stupid people. Less resources are spent in poorer areas educating people, which is why funding on a national level does not work.

    Weak fatherless homes is also a contributing factor. Self esteem is an issue.

    We are a cross bred society, sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn’t.

    We are a fractured society, with an apologist president.

    All the good things that Europe is, we are not

    Before you suggest that keeping guns away from them is the answer, in order to do that, you have to keep guns away from me too. This is where the problem lies. Gun control advocates want to throw the baby out with the bath water to get their desired result. Pragmatic, intelligent citizens will not allow that to happen. Government has enough laws on the books to tackle the issue, but chooses not to due to their priorities. Some are hoping that a public outrage following the Sandyhook massacre will create a circumstance where we’ll willing give up our guns so we never have to be confronted with such an outrage again. It will not happen. I say to government, Enforce the laws on the books and do your job, instead of infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens.

    Bock, the answers to this question are complicated, and I can only give you my opinion as to why it is the way it is. Education and a lack of adequate social services are reasons for gun violence. But all of this should be funded and addressed on a state level, The Federal Government is the problem with this more than anything else. Eliminating guns is a knee jerk reaction. I have a licence to carry a gun, and I carry it everywhere. Do you know how protected I feel? To be honest, I’ve witnessed acts of violence in Dublin, (I was robbed at gun point just off Grafton Street) that make me want to carry there as well. No one will ever take my gun from me here, especially the government..

    Artemis

    “Donald Trump plays on people’s fear about illegal immigrants .. most of them are I’m sure law abiding, who pay taxes, and are not murdering criminals. He does the same with Muslims.”:

    He’s not playing on peoples fears, he’s pointing out a reality. Illegal immigration is crippling some cities, Mine in particular. I really don’t know how to point it out to you. No other country in the world tolerates illegal inhabitants, Including Ireland and especially Mexico. Why is it that those of us who want the same in the US are considered bigots?

    What I think you do not understand about my view, is that I am not pro Democrat or Republican party. I view the 2 parties being exactly the same. In fact they are they are the same, working in cahoots to undermine our constitution in order to enrich themselves and their benefactors at our expense. Obama is and outsider to the shenanigans going on, which is why he has faced so much insolence. Trump is totally ignorant to the sinister intent going on within the beltway, but he is learning fast what he’s up against.

  28.  

    There’s is a bit of a difference between the two parties..

    The U.S. Senate once again voted down gun safety bills introduced in the aftermath of a mass shooting. Almost all Republicans voted against. Almost all Democrats voted in favour.

    I feel sorry for you that you feel the need to carry a gun everywhere.
    I’d hate to live in a society that’s filled with such fear.

    It’s absolute insanity that you feel the need to carry a gun everywhere and that you will blame everything but the availability of guns, for the amount of gun homicides there.

    I’m done with this one… there’s no talking to stupidity. All the best to you and your gun.. the likes of you is a disaster waiting to happen.

  29.  

    “I was robbed at gun point just off Grafton Street”

    Why do I get the feeling you’re exaggerating Greg? Gunpoint really? Just off Grafton Street?

    Did you imagine seeing a gun, since you’re so vigilant, and feel the need to carry one everywhere?

    Why would some thief need a gun to rob you in Dublin? Think about it.. they’d be no need, but you’d just love to end that person’s life if you had your gun wouldn’t you? No regard for the fact that it might be some young fella on drugs, who might clean up their act at some stage.. no, you should just have the right to end their existence and execute them. Isn’t that so.

  30.  

    GOK — One of the almost unheard-of occasions in Ireland where a person is mugged on the street by someone with a firearm, and it happens to an American gun advocate. Incredible. (Literally).

    What was the name of this place off Grafton Street where you were robbed at gunpoint? A detail like that is bound to stick in your memory.

    On a side note, you should understand that nobody outside America gives a rat’s ass if you’re a Democrat or a Republican.

  31.  

    I worked at a restaurant on Chatham Street named Pasta Fresca. Behind the restaurant is a carport where deliveries would arrive. While out back assisting the driver, who was employed by the restaurant, taking in deliveries, A car drove up behind our van and a person in a balaclava approached us from the car with gun drawn and robbed us of a bag of cash the driver was also delivering to the restaurant. How much, I don’t know. That happened is the spring of 1995.

  32.  

    Ok. Not so much a mugging then as an armed robbery.

    I was thinking it couldn’t be just a street punk robbing an individual since that just doesn’t happen in Ireland, for one very simple reason.

    It’s hard to get a gun, even for a criminal.

  33.  

    I hope you can appreciate, that at the time standing there looking down a barrel of a gun, it was irrelevant to me what type of perpetrator was threatening me with a gun.

    I think what boggles many minds, is the indiscriminate nature of most mass shooting, notwithstanding Orlando, Ft. Hood and San Bernadino .to name the most recent events. I would love nothing better than to live free without worry of being victimized by gun wielding assailants, However, I have to be wary, I’ve been the victim of crime before and will not knowingly put myself in the position to be a victim again. If that makes me stupid in your eyes Artemis, so be it. Unfortunately, its my reality.

  34.  

    We’ve all been the victims of crime but most of us feel no need to carry a gun, and as a consequence, almost nobody ever gets shot.

    Join the dots.

  35.  

    “Illegal immigration is crippling some cities”

    What’s that mean?

    If they’re were made legal, would it be less crippling?

    When was America ever ‘crippled’ by immigration? Plus ça change..

  36.  

    “If they were made legal, wouldn’t it be less crippling?”

    Asked by someone who has no vested interest in the USA. Yet, when the Romanians were living illegally in Ireland, there was a segment of Irish society that worked tirelessly to throw them out. I don’t want people living here until they have been vetted and are prepared to assimilate into American society. That is not the case as it stands now.

    I worked at the Sutton Castle Hotel where, while the owners of the property were seeking planning for apartments on the grounds, The local neighbors were in uproar of the proposed development, to the point that planning was denied. So the owners turned it into a Bosnian Refugee Center. Guess what happened after that?

    One only has to go as far as this blog, notwithstanding the 30 years I lived in Ireland to understand that not all are so welcoming of others just because of where they come from.

    I’d prefer that everyone be held to the same standard that I adhered to in Ireland and that many adhere to here. But if you are illegal looking for your rights, I don’t really think you have a leg to stand on. Go home and go through the process like other had to do and did. Be respectful of the process.

    I’ve said all I have to say on the subject. Good discussion though.

  37.  

    So crippling means they’re not welcome?

  38.  

    I’m struggling to see how any of this is relevant to the original post.

  39.  

    It probably all started with the mention of the Hair Furor with the bad comb over and his gun toting supporter above, who was never mugged at gun point just off Grafton Street once.

  40.  

    I never said I was mugged. I was robbed, at gun point, in little ol Dublin.

    And…… your 100% correct, Illegal Mexicans and any other nationality are not welcome here, just as illegal Nigerians, who have Irish born children, are not welcome in Ireland.

    A bit rich for you to suggest who should be allowed to live in the US. You’d be up in arms if only a fraction of it landed in your country.

    Why don’t you ladies use your real names? What are you hiding from.

    I’m done. Unless you want to keep it going.

    BTW, Do you have a good recipe for Soda Bread? The Wicklow Arm made the best, but they are no more.

  41.  

    GOK — the conversation will carry on with or without you.

  42.  

    I’d love to see what the price of tomatoes would be and who would pick them if illegals were made legal there and paid minimum wage.

    Stoop labour, in the hot sun, in fields with no water, no toilet facilities, and working while the field is being sprayed for bugs, all for less than minimum wage.. I could see thousands of Americans queuing up for those jobs, couldn’t you?

    There’s a very good reason why certain immigrants are kept undocumented. A handy ready made underclass. Hair Furor wants to put up a big wall, meanwhile he’s promised big tax breaks to the wealthy. Almost 7 million he paid back to his own companies last month for his campaign. For one month. Have you taken a look at the billionaire he wants as his vice president?

    The poor and disadvantaged and the muslims of course are an easy scapegoat for the likes of the Hair Furor and the idiots who follow him.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-11-09/why-americans-wont-do-dirty-jobs

    Just talking to myself now, since the conversation is over.. Much obliged, thanks Bock.

  43.  

    Can I just leave this here, for anyone who can’t get decent news in a country awash with idiots –
    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35382599

    ‘Donald Trump and the politics of paranoia’

    The likes of yourself would have probably been a supporter of the ‘Know Nothing’ party of 1840s/50s GOK.

    A new political party was formed, called the Know Nothing party. It grew out of a secret society, whose main creed was anti-Irish immigration. Its members were told to say, if asked about it, “I know nothing.” Hence the name.

  44.  

    Last one so..

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/12/the-four-basic-reasons-that-explain-why-donald-trump-actually-is-so-popular/

    2. A lot of people dislike immigrants

    Trump supporters are particularly attracted to his views on immigration. He’s hugely popular among people without college degrees, who have been left behind by economic progress in recent years. Many of these people blame immigrants for their own poor prospects..

    By more than a 2 to 1 margin, Republicans who supported Trump in the poll said immigrants weaken society. That’s the opposite view of Americans overall, who said by a 25-point margin that immigrants mainly strengthen America.

  45.  

    Oh sorry, one more.. he asked about Soda Bread.

    I make this one –
    http://www.bordbia.ie/consumer/recipes/desserts/pages/traditionalbrownsodabread.aspx

    Where it says optional -” 1 tablesp. sesame seeds or pinhead porridge oats”.. I add in tons of different seeds.. whatever you have. Linseed, sesame seeds, sunflower seeds, toasted pumpkin seeds. Not really all that traditional, but tis nice.. and extra honey too.

  46.  

    Honey for sure. Oats I’ve seen added, but seeds? I like it. Thank you.

    While it is true, that my country is full of idiots, I am not on of them. Believe it or not, most of our picked produce is for export.

    You are 100% about Americans queuing for farm jobs. Arkansas passed the strictest anti immigration laws, and now they have no one to pick the crops. Oh well. But more to that subject, There are thousand of temporary migrant farm workers, in So. Cal any way, that have visas and commute to their farm jobs from there home in Baja. I have no problem with this.They are legal. they are no burden on our society and they spend their hard earned dollars back in their own country. More power to them I say

    My issue is not with people of different countries living and working in my country who went through the process of applying to live here legally, as this variety of immigrant tends to be a valuable contributor to society. My issue is with a political party that violates the constitution by offering blanket legal status to the millions of illegals who will in turn elect the same party so that they can continue to receive social welfare at my and others expense. These self serving ingrates then accuse us of racism when we object to it, enabled by millions of globalist/progressives like you.

    What happened in England yesterday is a shot across your bow. You call us idiots, good for you, but that was only part one, part 2 is in November. prepare yourself.

  47.  

    Prepare for what, Hair Furor is it? That goon will make ye the laughing stock of the world.

    By the way, isn’t social welfare limited there? As in you can only claim it for a limited time and it’s based on you paying into it.
    A lot of undocumented immigrants there would be earning money without paying tax. It would make sense to make people who are there long term legal. These would be people whose kids have been born there, or who were born elsewhere themselves but were reared there.. the U.S. is all they know. The immigration reform Obama wanted to bring in would have benefited people who were there 5 years and longer.. not just anyone. And the only reason it hasn’t happened is due to republicans in congress refusing to ratify his supreme court replacement.. highly unconstitutional.

    Whatever about how things will pan out in the U.K. you can be sure the rich will stay rich, the poor will stay poor and immigrants will be to blame.

    Hair Furor will only enrich his friends and himself as he’s promising..

  48.  

    Bock

  49.  

    There’s a problem.. Trying to leave the following comment..

    Prepare for what, Hair Furor is it? That goon will make ye the laughing stock of the world.

    By the way, isn’t social welfare limited there? As in you can only claim it for a limited time and it’s based on you paying into it.
    A lot of undocumented immigrants there would be earning money without paying tax. It would make sense to make people who are there long term legal. These would be people whose kids have been born there, or who were born elsewhere themselves but were reared there.. the U.S. is all they know. The immigration reform Obama wanted to bring in would have benefited people who were there 5 years and longer.. not just anyone. And the only reason it hasn’t happened is due to republicans in congress refusing to ratify his supreme court replacement.. highly unconstitutional.

    Whatever about how things will pan out in the U.K. you can be sure the rich will stay rich, the poor will stay poor and immigrants will be to blame. Hair Furor will only enrich his friends and himself as he’s promising.

  50.  

    Nevermind.. Thanks.. have a nice day.

    And yes, lots of seeds.. roughage is good for you.

  51.  

    Who cares if he makes us the laughing stock, we’ve been there before, and besides, worrying about what others think is a fools errand. The majority is always wrong. Always has been, always will be. his purpose is to send a very clear message that the status quo in American politics is no longer acceptable, and if he actually happens to ‘Make America Great Again’, more power to him. To hell with the utopian, kumbaya fantasy. It is dangerous and doesn’t work. Never has and never will. (ie communism, socialism) as even those systems have elites that tread on the proletariat. free

    we have a tiered social welfare system. First off is that you collect off the stamps you accumulated through employment. That is known as unemployment benefit which expires after 12 to 18 months after signing on. If you don’t have enough stamps collected, you are considered indigent and that’s where the real gravy train kicks in. With food stamps (as good as cash), section 8 housing supplement where government pays 4/5th of your rent, plus you get utility allowance. As well, you get free health care, known here as medic aid. Being a citizen is not a requirement to avail of it, just proof of identity, which is easy to obtain. Also, it is offered to all new immigrants that come here legally, like our new Syrian refugees and they get 7 years to find a niche for themselves, The Armenians are great at availing of this program in particular. The Mexicans and practically administers of the program.

    Illegal immigrants are paying tax, under assumed names. But there are so many ways to scam the system, why do it when your liberal government turns a blind eye to it.

    The same things were said about Ronald Regan before he became president, I believe that Trump will work out just fine.

  52.  

    This blog needs an edit option.

  53.  

    Mr Sniffle, below in Odessa, Texas, football fans, after the lost a Grid Iron game, planted scores of “For Sale” signs in the front lawn of the house of their coach.

    The coach, given that that was the first game they’d lost in almost a year, wasn’t planning on moving house, but there just ain’t no pleasing folk from the Lone Star State.

    Shucks!

    But I’m still applying for the vacant managers job with England.

    It’s a tricky position. The job description demands that you have at least five years experience “ritually humiliating an entire nation at major tournaments in front of a TV audience of millions of leering foreigners.”

    I can do that.

    But the trick is to get them to the tournament in the first place. That requires winning, qualifying, creating unrealistic levels of expectations and duping a sycophantic media into believing you beat zee Germans in the final.

    You can then focus on the ritually humiliating the entire nation part. It’s a tightrope Mr Sniffle, but that’s why England bosses get the big bucks.

    THE Donald Trump, the next President of the USA, would make a fine Engerland gaffer. He’s the man, the only man.

  54.  

    heard a talking head potentially introduce the Donald
    ( sld merica be that stoopid)

    as

    ” The last president of the United States ”

    Occurs now in a blinding epiphany ( getting them a lot lately – me and Eamo Dunphy – to do with the scratchy piles) anyway, any nation justifying guns and bloody murders deserves the Donald .

    Fed up to me teeth man with excuses – ears are bleeding….

    in other , more important news

    the non-bond-non-burners ( classy double negative kid)
    Iceland…….. now everyone’s favorites…who knew? – hardly the beautiful game .

    best person for the Albion job – the part time dentist Icelandic manager guy , the guy who assisted on the Eurovision choreography with the goalie .

    Bernard , you could do it , you do good chameleon …failing this ,that rabid cookie you hang with , the one who looks like the FA cup … yeah the exiting brits deserve him

  55.  

    Yeah, Regan’s massive tax breaks for the super wealthy/trickle down worked out well for ye.. You’d like more the same it seems.
    George W was also a laughing stock, and you can thank him for the massive refugee crisis.
    Your country caused this massive displacement of people, yet the U.S. has only accepted a minuscule amount of refugees from Syria. Pathetic.

    Greg, I can’t instill in you how misguided I think you are. Are you not embarrassed to be so ignorant? Trump – (the billionaire) is effectively appropriating legitimate working class grievances all right, as did Nigel Farage, however he’s distorting the cause of those grievances, and you can be sure his measures are going to hurt the working class, not help them.

    If Trump gets into the White House, ye’ll get what ye deserve.. sometimes things have to get so bad before they can get better I suppose.

  56.  

    I’m living the alternative to Trump now and feel, no, I know it is worse. I’ve lived in your utopia and I don’t like it. So there you are. I’ll live with my decisions.

    I don’t think your ignorant or misguided. Your life’s preferences appear safe to me and that is all well and good.

    Your perceptions of Trump are not based on any facts, but assumptions and paranoia. There was never any issues with Donald Trump until he started his campaign, when he became a pariah and has been accused of things that, if true, would have prohibited him from living the life he built for himself as well as being a TV personality.

    Fuck the begrudgers and the thin skinned.

  57.  

    “There was never any issues with Donald Trump until he started his campaign,”

    True dat..

    Have a listen to him here yesterday –
    http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/donald-trump-s-incoherence-on-trade-715713603741

    The most incoherent speaker in American politics said this today –

    “I’m all for free trade. The problem with free trade is you need smart people making deals. We don’t have good deals and free trade is killing us.

    I want great deals. I don’t care if they’re free. I don’t care if they’re fair. I don’t care if they’re good. I don’t care if they’re horrendous. I just want great deals. I’ll do it all different ways. I’ll do it all different ways.

    The most incoherent speaker in American politics said this today –
    “I’m all for free trade. The problem with free trade is you need smart people making deals. We don’t have good deals and free trade is killing us .

    I want great deals. I don’t care if they’re free. I don’t care if they’re fair. I don’t care if they’re good. I don’t care if they’re horrendous. I just want great deals. I’ll do it all different ways. I’ll do it all different ways. ”

    Now that is Donald Trump’s incoherence at full throttle. That is the level of gibberish that makes mental health professionals question Donald Trump’s mental health.

    He begins by saying, I’m all for free trade. He then says, free trade is killing us. Then he says, I want great deals. And then he says, that a great deal doesn’t have to be fair. Just think about that part – a great deal doesn’t have to be fair. Then he says, a great deal doesn’t have to be good. And then he says, a great deal can be horrendous. Think about that…

    Think about that now says Laurence O’Donnell…. hope you don’t get a headache.

    He’s a simpleton Gregory.

  58.  

    I repeated two paragraphs there.. oooops.

  59.  

    Watch that full video if ye get a chance. It’s great stuff.
    Watch the difference in him reading from a teleprompter.

  60.  

    What I hear from him is; The trade deals can be whatever as long as they favour us.

    I’m good with with that.

    We are buyers, and our government makes deals that benefit foreign sellers, or American multinationals who move the jobs to other countries.

    Larry O’Donnell………lol.

  61.  

    Gregory, just listen to what he says, not what you hear. As Judge Judy says, put on your listening ears. He’s a fucking class clown.
    I can’t believe anyone would be good with that. I mean seriously, what’s wrong with ye?
    The bravado is entertaining, but come on..

    “We are buyers, and our government makes deals that benefit foreign sellers”
    Eh, from a consumer perspective, cheaper goods manufactured in the likes of China, benefit you the buyers.

    Here, this is very easy to follow –
    http://www.vox.com/2016/6/29/12054540/donald-trump-trade-poor

  62.  

    I agree. He is the class clown, but what part of “I don’t give a shite” do you not comprehend? He’s still going to win because his opponent’s a crook.

    Yesterday, Bill Clinton boards the government plane our Attorney General (Justice Minister) in Phoenix, Arizona (of all places). They just happened to be at the airport at the same time so Bill decides to pop by and say hi. Hillary is under investigation by the Justice department for behavior that has jailed many for the same offense or less, and they spoke about Grandchildren? If nothing, they both know the optics of this meeting are horrible. But guess what, they could care less. Nor could our progressive mainstream media. Man, there are so many bogey endeavors both Hillary and Bill are up to, meanwhile the people who she wants to lead have to give up their rights to appease people who have always hated us, people like you.

    I don’t want cheap Chinese goods, I want expensive American goods, Americans get employed and make better quality stuff. All our manufacturers will start coming back if the right deal is made for them.

    Your country has the lowest corporate tax in the world, and look at the result. You don’t think they’d like to come home if ours were similar? We’re nearly three times your rate.

    Give it up will ya. Trumps my guy period. I don’t expect you to understand it, and if calling me names makes you feel good about your position, fire away.

    I will never ever vote for that self serving corrupt woman, ever. Most in her own party despise her. She’s an ill tempered bitch who has enriched herself at the peoples expense.

  63.  

    “meanwhile the people who she wants to lead have to give up their rights to appease people who have always hated us, people like you.”

    I don’t hate anyone, thank you very much. I suppose you’re referring to your ‘right’ to carry a gun everywhere.. It’s sad to live in such a fearful way IMO. Less guns = less shootings, it’s very simple.

    Good luck with your hair furor.. I’m doubtful he can implement the protectionism he waffles on about. Trump the billionaire has benefited tremendously – (the biggest word in his vocabulary) from trade agreements btw.

    ” All our manufacturers will start coming back if the right deal is made for them. ”
    The right deal, even if it’s a horrendous deal, a great deal, he’ll do it all different ways, all different ways.. come on ffs.

    I’m no fan of Hilary either btw. But she’s a lot more qualified than the Hair Furor, and she’s getting a lot of pressure to get big money out of politics.
    Trump has benefited a lot at other peoples’ expense too.. when he declares bankruptcy people get left high and dry, and the taxpayer picks up the tab. His university is a scam.

    Look at the absolute shite the moron puts on facebook and twitter.
    https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/10157247675605725:0

    He’s an abomination.
    There doesn’t seem to be any talking to you though Gregory.

  64.  

    You’ve ridiculed and insulted me, How could treat a complete stranger like that unless you hate some hate in you.

    Why doesn’t Obama call them what they are?

    More guns in the hands of the right people = less good people getting shot. I live in Nashville. The largest fireworks show in the country will be held on Monday Night. They expect 250,000 attending. I’d say there will be about 100,000 concealed weapon holders attending, me included. Not one person will get shot

    BTW, did you hear about the sweeping gun legislation passed in California yesterday? The state lawmakers exempted themselves from the laws.

    I believe he’ll be make all sorts of deals., Which is what you want in a president. Someone willing to reach across the aisle and make deals with his adversaries for the betterment of the country. Unlike our bigoted apologist in chief.

    You make it sound like taking advantage of laws to benefit oneself is a bad thing. There is no proof that Trump fucked over people to make a buck, just baseless accusations. Bankruptcy is legal protection, so just because you file, it doesn’t make you a bad person. No one willingly goes into it willingly. Nobody wins. Business is risk, everyone knows it and if you cant handle the risk, be an employee.

    It seems to me that you are the one that is entrenched, though it comes as no surprise to me given the nanny state you were raised in. I doubt you have the life experiences I do, so I wouldn’t expect pragmatic thought coming from you. The emotional rhetoric.though is expected.

    How exactly is Hillary “Qualified”. She began her professional career as an activist lawyer who was dismissed from her first job, Then she was the wife of a state governor (no portfolio) for 12 years. then she was First Lady for 8 years. She then ran for Senate in New York,(she’s from Illinois), because in New York you can be a ham sandwich and get elected as long as you’re a democrat. A state that has produced Anthony Weiner, Elliott Spitzer, Charles Rangle and Barney Frank, to name a few, all who have been shamed out of office for ethics violations. She held that seat for 2 years only to run for President as soon as the opportunity arose. Meanwhile, her and Bill are selling speeches for donations to their foundations.

    What you don’t see, because you have a bias media informing you, is that she is blatantly crooked, unlike Donald, who is brutally honest. She’s not qualified to wipe my ass.

  65.  

    GOK — Enough of this “hate” bullshit.

    Stop playing the victim. It makes you sound ridiculous.

  66.  

    They’re limiting magazine capacity to 10 bullets for semiautomatic ruffles..awful infringement on would-be mass murderers isn’t it..slowing them down like that.

    Gregory does sound like an awful victim all right..

  67.  

    Bock are you putting people in and out of moderation by any chance? Yes or no will suffice.

  68.  

    “Jesus give me patience” is what will suffice.

  69.  

    The limited magazine isn’t as much an issue as the requirement to enter into a data base in order to purchase Ammo. That is outside the remit of the constitution and a complete privacy violation. And, as I stated earlier which went without comment. the lawmakers exempted themselves from the laws that they passed.

  70.  

    Grant me patience indeed. There’s no talking to this one.

    Gregory, a lot of your nonsense has to go without comment..

    Outside the remit of the constitution? Of course.
    The constitution doesn’t cover family law, case law, tort, property, contract, that can vary in each state. I get the feeling you haven’t a bull’s notion what you’re trying to get at Gregory.

    The DMV have a database of drivers.. do you feel your privacy is being invaded there? Social security, likewise. Why should any fruitloop who wants to buy tons of ammunition be allowed purchase it like they’re sweets in a candy shop? I think most Americans want stricter gun controls, except for the NRA in the back pocket of politicians and people like yourself.

  71.  

    Your right, The constitution does not cover family law, case law, tort, property, contract because they are supposed to be enacted by states and as such is outside the federal government remit, But with regards to the right to bear arms, that is covered under the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution, and no state law can be enacted that runs counter to the constitutions or hinders its implementation. In the California case, the state government was within its remit to enact that law. However, it’s being used as a rear guard action to restrict legal ownership in this case and is as easy to get around as driving to Arizona to purchase ammo.

    For your info the 4th, our right to privacy, and the 9th, unenumerated rights,amendments to our constitution are legal grounds to question the legality of this law. Whether it hinders the full implementation of the 2nd amendment is also at question.

    Again, these are pragmatic decisions that need to be made, not emotional once.

  72.  

    Testing 123 testing 123

  73.  

    Testing 1234 testing 1234

  74.  

    Are you actively trying to be put in moderation?

  75.  

    Put me in moderation.. It’s all the bloody one. Your comments aint working.

    Testing.

  76.  

    All right.. I’ll try once more.
    I even wished that goon a happy 4th of July.. It’s not much use on the bloody 6th, almost.

  77.  

    All right…..I’ll try once more.
    I even wished that goon a happy 4th of July.. It’s not much use on the bloody 6th, almost.

  78.  

    Ok, doesn’t work – comment-431038. Moderation by default it is.
    Testing.

  79.  

    All your comments are appearing, including the testing ones. Please stop abusing the comments section like this.

  80.  

    They’re not appearing Bock.
    I wrote a longer response to Gregory above but it didn’t appear.
    A lot of other comments are not appearing.

    I gave you the comment number if you want to investigate it with the service provider.. I’d say you’re not getting a lot of other peoples’ comments too. You’ve had other people mention it a few times too. I didn’t write testing for the crack .. well not initially. I was messing writing it above there.

    I’m not abusing the comments section.. it’s abusing me.
    I hope my feedback is welcome now. I’m not trying to antagonise you.

  81.  

    Goon?!?!? Sorry for the delay in acknowledging your July 4th sentiments, I was busy getting MRI’s on my knuckles, as dragging them along the pavement has taken it’s toll.

    Thank you.

    I’ve had posts not appear previously and just assumed that it was Bock regulating content.

    Somewhere there is a cornfield named after me.

  82.  

    Sadly, it appears our community standards will have to be repeated.

    They’re laid out HERE.

  83.  

    I hope these community standards are for the gun-toting persons amongst our midst.

  84.  

    There are 2 of us io it.

  85.  

    The ‘community standards’ were for me Gregory.
    If you want to keep it going then… I thought I was being kind earlier.
    If I were to be honest about it, I think your the sort of person whose representative of a dumbed downed nation. Ye pride yerselves on being loud and ignorant over there.

    You’ll probably get your Hair Furor as president.. and he’ll make y’all a great nation again, with the help of some Russian oligarchs. He appeals to the bigots and the dumb. Luckily for him, there’s plenty of ye over there.

    You spout a hodgepodge of contradictions btw.. I can’t follow your logic and I don’t want to try, so don’t bother explaining.

    This for example –
    “and I would not expect you to appreciate liberty, freedom and limited government the way that I do

    And all because we can’t regulate a couple of greedy Pr**ks, who happen to be named Bush and Clinton. Both our political parties are corrupt and stand for the very same thing, which is their enrichment. ”

    You appreciate a limited government. You equate that with freedom, but you want ‘greedy pricks’ to be regulated. They won’t regulate themselves Gregory.
    No one really thinks your freedom is being infringed by having to register to buy your ammunition for your gun(s). But you’ve got your limited government in place for the most part economically.

  86.  

    Here. Have a listen on limited government, i.e. neoliberalism
    ‘Who Should Bernie Voters Support Now? Robert Reich vs. Chris Hedges on Tackling the Neoliberal Order’ http://tinyurl.com/gnjuhuc

    And before you go whinging to Bock again, don’t bother your hoop.. I’ve read the community standards already.

  87.  

    Here. Have a listen on limited government, i.e. neoliberalism
    ‘Who Should Bernie Voters Support Now? Robert Reich vs. Chris Hedges on Tackling the Neoliberal Order’

    democracynow.org/2016/7/26/who_should_bernie_voters_support_now

    And before you go whinging to Bock again, don’t bother your hoop.. I’ve read the community standards already.

  88.  

    democracynow.org
    /2016/7/26/
    who_should_bernie_voters_support_now

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