Wahhabi Islamic Schools in Ireland

Now that’s religious control of education

Suppose you were to approach the Minister for Education with a view to opening a school — a school which would reflect the values of your particular society, or sect if you like.

And suppose those values included teaching children that it was perfectly acceptable to hate people of other religions – particularly Jews – or no religion. Moreover, the school would promote such progressive 21st century practices as beheading people for adultery, executing homosexuals and judicially-approved amputations.

The Saudi government is currently negotiating with the Irish government with a view to opening such a school in Dublin.  At present there are about 15 Saudi families living in the country – which they are perfectly entitled to – and about 40,000 Muslims in total.

Almost ironically, given the views of the vast majority of Muslims toward us filthy infidels, most Irish Muslims are of the opinion that the Saudi education system, which is closely associated with Wahabism, a strict interpretation of the Koran practised widely in Saudi Arabia,  is a breeding ground for extremists.

Al-Qaeda for instance is almost exclusively drawn from  the Wahabi cult, which apart from hating Jews, Christians, Hindus, women and almost anything that walks or crawls on this earth, also hate fellow Muslims.

Other than that they’re easy enough to get on with.

This  is an example of what 14-year-old boys are taught in a Wahabi schools.

“The day of judgment will not arrive until Muslims fight Jews, and Muslim will kill Jews until the Jew hides behind a tree or a stone. Then the tree and the stone will say, ‘Oh Muslim, oh, servant of God, this is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him.’ Except one type of a tree, which is a Jew tree. That will not say that.”

The outskirts of Tel Aviv incidentally are noted for their Jarisha Cactus trees. Maybe these are the trees that are staying mum. Maybe this Hebrew topiary has issues with the “servants of God” and their irredentist claims.

Then again maybe there’s  an IDF squadron hiding behind the tree trunk, trying to maintain the element of surprise by keeping their mouths shut.

Despite claims by the Saudi government that the curriculum of Wahabi schools in the USA had been revised it was found that they were teaching 12th graders  that “apostates (those who convert from Islam), adulterers and people who murder Muslims can be permissibly killed”

“As cited in Ibn Abbas: The apes are Jews, the people of the Sabbath; while the swine are the Christians, the infidels of the communion of Jesus.” – Activity: The student writes a composition on the danger of imitating the infidels.

And there you were thinking that the Christian brothers were banging on a bit about the 1916 rising and hurling.

Mr Mohammed al-Saddique, a student at the Royal College of Surgeons in Dublin, told the Irish Times that he’s all for a Saudi school in Dublin.

“It’s a very good plan and I think there will be a lot of support for this because it addresses the needs of the Saudi community, and the Arab community here in general. We believe that a child should grow up with certain values, so putting them in a school with that kind of environment is essential.  Parents will feel better knowing that their child is going to a school that won’t create such a culture shock,” he said.

Mr Al-Saddique was not asked to explain how he believes said “values” can be accommodated in a liberal society and  no-one is asking the Department of Education that question either.  Has the Department seen a copy of the proposed curriculum or inquired as  to the school’s position on educating females?

Looking at the bigger picture, we’ve spent the last three decades fighting tooth and nail to get Catholic fundamentalists out of the classroom and now we are inviting in an educational system whose views would make the views of your average Bible thumper sound like those of the liberal wing of your local swivel-eyed, transsexual, cross-dressing club.

But therein lies the paradox for all liberal democracies. Having embraced Voltaire’s maxim of “disagreeing  with what you say but fighting to the death for your right to say it” as a definition of liberalism, we find that we have no other intellectual choice but to entertain a school of thought which is incompatible with the very freedoms we aspire to, a school of thought which is invited to incubate within the embrace of liberalism but whose ultimate aim is to destroy the very freedom from which it initially drew sustenance.

To give an example of how the concept of liberalism has been turned on its head,  a few years ago it was announced in Holland that the Church of Satan, remember him, the horned one that wants to burn Yo’ ass in hell for eternity, was to receive government funding.

All the other churches were receiving funding so the Satanists put in a claim and received their money. Legally they were on par with all Christian, Jewish and Muslim churches.

Likewise, Islamic jihad, as promoted in Wahhabi schools, will be legally on a par with the rest of the Christian, Jewish, Muslim and non-religious schools in this country, even though they are a breeding ground for hatred and extremism.

Incidentally, how long do you think you’d last before being deported  if you were to arrive in the Saudi education minister’s office with a high-falutin plan to open a multi-denominational school in Jeddah?

Fintan O’Toole, the darling of the Irish left, wrote in the Irish Times in relation to Catholicism and the Papal Nuncio  that “agents of foreign state should not control our schools”. In view of this statement, and given the nature of the proposed  Saudi school in Dublin, why are the Irish left remaining so quiet? Does their desire for the sacred cow of multiculturalism oblige them to turn a blind eye to teaching medieval barbarism?

However, it’s an ill wind that blows no good and Wahabi could spell good news for the GAA.

The FAI and IRFU have more or less announced that they won’t be using Croke Park for the next ten years now that the Aviva is complete.  That means that Jones’s Road venue will be lying idle for most of the year.

So maybe the GAA could cut a deal with Saudi and have ritual executions at the venue, to be televised live on  Al-Jazeera.  Homosexuals could be symbolically executed before hurling matches and Tipp and Kilkenny fans could mingle with Jihadists (hard to tell the difference really) so each might appreciate the other’s contribution to civilisation.

They could have a cultural cross exchange, a sort of twinning of Clonmel with Riyadh, where jihadists could be drinking tea and eating sandwiches out of the boot of their cars and Tipp fans could be flying Fokkers into Liberty Hall.

A few years down the line we could then drop the hurling part and cut straight to the chase, as taught in Irish based Wahabi schools.

As it happens, the Saudis don’t need to consult the Department at all, since they hardly need any funding.

The Department of Education, when asked by a newspaper, said it was not aware of plans to establish any such private schools.  However, according to the Department’s spokesman, there are clear prohibitions in Irish law against incitement to hatred, hostility or violence.

Right.  That’ll be easy to check up on, won’t it?


41 thoughts on “Wahhabi Islamic Schools in Ireland

  1. Isn’t this from two years ago? Well, I guess the argument still stands — though I think it isn’t getting the go-ahead.

    *also: “Wahhabi”


  2. Bock, your point as always is valid, but it’s a bit of a cheap shot compared hurling fans with Wahhabi nut-jobs.

    Is that picture Photoshopped?

  3. “Tipp and Kilkenny fans could mingle with Jihadists (hard to tell the difference really) so each might appreciate the other’s contribution to civilisation.”
    Very funny

    In certain areas of the South side of Glasgow the asian community now outnumber the Scottish so some of the Catholic schools have been converted to Muslim schools as they were the majority communinty.

    Funniest thing is seeing a Pakistani with a broad Glaswegian accent . (one briefly in a Gillette advert at the moment)

    “Are you havin Pakora No?” Especially found in the many fine Indian restaurants around the city.

    Apologies for banging on about the same theme it seemed linked to the main topic, and it has already happened.

    The bigger question is will the Muslim schools still fight with the proddy schools across the road and keep up the well established custom.

    Have they built the GAA stadiums too big, or has attendance fallen so badly. Every Sunday on the news I see big stadiums around the country with 4 old biddy’s and a dog watching a match, and a 3/4 (at best empty stadium.

    Inviting some other group to use the stadiums, not such a bad idea, I look forward to our local stoning, with bovril in the winter, plenty room up the back there.

  4. yeah Tony , the wahhabists would be rightly pissed off..
    ( i just invented that word – k )

    good one mr out – good one – now what do i do with my indignation….

    strikes me that if a jewish bank were to buy the glaziers out, the old darby match might have a new edge.

  5. Mr Sniffle – I hope the Yid army from White Hart Lane finish highter than em – he’ll do a Sheik & Vac and fuck right off back then, or something.

    Quote of the week from Sam Smith in yesterday’s Indo. How do you know Lowry is lying? His lips are moving……- although John Waters describing the Moriarty tribunal as a five million character tweet last Friday’s IT was a good one also.

  6. On the money. Plenty of trendy cosseted “right on” twats out there with hair trigger reactions to Israel’s oppression of the Palestinians. but a bizarre blind spot to the vile practices of Hamas, Hizbollah and assorted followers of the 5th century goat herder. The growth trend in Islamic religous fundamentalist indoctrination in western countries is ominous and needs to be reversed. If you live here, you live according to local rules. If you dont like it, fuck off. For a far more eloquent exposition of this position check out Mr Hitchens at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7aS7m3odqI&feature=related. A voice of sanity in a world of demented politically correct babble……

  7. Yup, that pic is photoshopped. Have seen it before.

    I don’t agree with the idea of setting up a school here for Muslims, no more than for any religion that preaches hate.

    I respect anyone who has the decency to respect others.

    On the note about Jewish schools in Ireland, should they not be treated in the same (near same) fashion?

    IE – http://www.jewishaz.com/jewishnews/040409/odyssey.shtml

    But like most religions, hate exists.

    Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

    Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.

    Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile the wages owed him for work.

    Baba Kamma 37b. If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite…the payment is to be in full.

    Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile, there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

    Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals

    All religions are fucked up if you ask me,

  8. Darwin — Since the spelling is only an approximation of the Arabic, I’m not too bothered if it has one h or two. You’re right in saying that the issue is old, but it has new relevance with the announcement of a review of school patronage.

  9. Seconds Out, I see a flaw in your plan to get Tipp fans and Jihadists to mingle. Firstly anyone that has seen the unique breed of Tipp fan at a MSHC match will know that its staple diet is a gallon of tae, a few slices of bread with a pound of butter and 8 slices of ham per sandwich all encased in the tin foil. Your average Jihadist doesn’t look favorably on ham or the early morning fry up for that matter.

  10. “To give an example of how the concept of liberalism has been turned on its head, a few years ago it was announced in Holland that the Church of Satan, remember him, the horned one that wants to burn Yo’ ass in hell for eternity, was to receive government funding.”

    Might be worth noting that as far as Satanism as we know it goes LeVay’s troop would be more in line with Luciferianism. Mightn’t seem like a difference but there is. Lots of esoteric bollox, a wee bit of magick and some fancy costumes. Sound’s like a religion to me. And let’s face it, if it’s alright to believe and worship god, then why not the other team. After all, they are rumoured to have the best music!

  11. You have a point about the ham pheasantfukker. Still, when you see Louis Walsh and Jedward on TV you’d have to admit that Al-Qaeda may have an argument.

    I’ll mention what you said about Tipp fans to ex Tipp underage hurler, Matt “the knife” Macklin, the European middleweight champ, when I see him next. I’ll say you said it – and that you added he couldn’t punch snow of a rope……

    They certainly have the best music Cest, but are they happy?

  12. What’s so wrong with Sharia law ?
    Three major things appeal to me.
    1. No women drivers.
    2. No lawyers.
    3. You can recognise a thief from 50 yards away, he’s the one without his right hand !!

  13. Good post Bock

    This is a difficult issue. Conservative Muslims have a huge fear of liberal society. They fear that if their kids go to Irish schools their teenage years will be filled with drinking and riding. The problem is, they are probably right. Now I’m all for drinking and riding but we must accept that when we think liberal society we think freedom of speech, many Muslims however think teenage pregnancy and drugs. So maybe Muslim schools of some type are needed in order to prevent the kind of tension we see in Britian and France. But as for this Wahabbi model you describe, I say no way.


  14. Ted, I’d say the home is the place where values are formed, not the school. After all, most Irish people were subjected to a Christian educational structure which also opposes extra-marital sex. What a huge success that was! In the decades when it was working, it drove the nation demented with frustration, and when the people rejected it, everyone went crazy, screwing anything with a pulse. Likewise, the clergy preached moderation in alcohol consumption and you can see what a triumph that was.

    I know a few Muslims, including young ones. All adhere to traditional values, despite having attended mainstream schools, because their family structures are strong. If we want to see where our society has gone off the rails, we need to look at parenting.

  15. “In certain areas of the South side of Glasgow the asian community now outnumber the Scottish so some of the Catholic schools have been converted to Muslim schools as they were the majority communinty”

    Total shite… prove me wrang..

  16. Apologies the first link in the previous post was a picture of a Panda which was in my copy when I clicked, long story, nothing to do with catholic schools converting, it’s just a Panda.

  17. Just a small reminder. The system automatically puts any comment containing more than two external links into the moderation queue.

  18. Didn’t know that makes sense will know next time, I thought I was going to be banned…….. again this week

    Sorry again about the Panda, can that be edited ? First Link

  19. Nothing wrong with the Panda he’s just off topic, and doesn’t answer the question

    Infact he’s perfectly lovely as Panda’s go

  20. I’m all for saving the Panda

    As long as he knows he’s off topic and behaves accordingly

    And if she has any babies (unlikely) they will be going to a muslim school, that used to be catholic

  21. @ Miketurner:-

    That list of supposed Talmudic quotes is decidedly iffy.

    Murder of non-Jews

    Steven Schwarzschild and Dan Cohn-Sherbok discuss the criticism that the Jerusalem Talmud, in a discussion about tactics to be employed during battle, contains the phrase “even the best of the gentiles should all be killed” (Tob shebe goyyim harog) which has been cited by numerous critics of the Talmud, including the disputations in the Middle Ages.[190] The passage is found in Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10, and is based on Mechilta, Beshalach 2 (discussing Exodus 14:5-7)[191]

    An early example of this criticism was by Nicholas Donin who – during the Disputation of Paris – claimed that the Jerusalem Talmud (Soferim 15) “states that ‘the best gentile may be killed’. In response, a rabbi defended this Talmud text by saying an important phrase was omitted: ‘the best gentile may be killed in time of war’.”[192] Rabbi Steven Schwarzschild criticized this passage in relation to it use on modern warfare.[193]

    The context of the text is within a battle situation, specifically Israelites fighting Egyptians during the Exodus narrative, and in that context it can be understood as “when in battle, do not try to spare the lives of those opposing soldiers who are fine, upstanding people. Kill any enemy soldier, regardless of their character.”[191]

    Most of the quotes you’ve highlighted are to be found on David Icke, Stormfront, Rense and so on.

  22. “Voltaire never said that by the way…Its from a book by Evelyn Beatrice Hall..”

    It is a mix of two quotes, “Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too.” and “I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write”.

  23. Believe it or not,there’s a pub near me managed by a Muslim.When I made my feelings clear about the so-called prophet Mohammed,he went berserk,physically attacked me and tried to throw me and my dog out.Violence and aggression seems to be standard procedure for these idiots.This may sound like a yarn,but it actually happened to me recently.I got a few bruises but my dog is fine!

  24. @Mad Dog . Could you elaborate a bit ?

    ” A pint please, and by the way, Big Mo’s an a$$hole ” isn’t the usual opening gambit. If you know what I mean.

  25. Mr Mad Dog – Ask him next time, when your ordering a pint of cider, was Alisha, Muhammad’s wife, quoted out of context with the below,

    “The prophet married me when I was six years old, and had intercourse with me when I was nine.”

    Classic peadophila, we’re all for it…. as David Norris might say in Magill.

  26. Wahhabism …. With the proliferation of Shiite Muslims in the world is a major threat to Christian and Jewish

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